Task Manager and msconfig equivalent

[JasonSamfield]

I have exhausted all of my search options in trying to find an application that can work as a Windows "Task Manager" equivalent, essentially giving me control of terminating processes running on my Blackberry operating system on my new Storm.

I am currently frustrated sometimes because I cannot view which processes are hogging the CPU resources and subsequently causing it to lag. I began to search for a task manager to help me figure out this problem, but to no avail.

Does anyone know of any such application or a Blackberry developer that could find the resources to create such an application to the OS since the OS itself is lacking such a user interface? Or am I mistaken that the OS is not lacking this resource?

Also, do you all know of a location of a much more detailed manual or overview of the operating system itself?

[SteveO86]

The BlackBerry is completely different from a computer.

To see any current running applications hold Alt and hit the "Back" key.. Not sure how that works on the Storm though... The Application Switcher will display all currently running applications, you can assign the application switcher to one of the 2 convienence keys from Options -> Screen/Keyboard.

[JasonSamfield]

yes i know this about alt + back...on the storm you hold down the blackberry key...but this doesn't help me stop AIM from starting up every time i reset-restart my phone

no, the blackberry is a computer....it's the same thing...if you want me to explain the details to you i can, but it's the same thing...it has an operating system and i want better control over the elements running on my operating system....for instance, sometimes certain processes get caught in infinite loops or memory leaks occur...i want to kill those processes...how can i do that? can i get an app that will give me access to system calls of the OS that is essentially a CLI like cmd in windows? or has someone already done this and made an application that has task management features such as process kills or resource usage details such as memory hard faults and memory usage including delta changes and or the process ID numbers and or any other information that can help me determine the problem with my phone and why it is always going slow with only 4 or 5 things running at any given time....or how to solve the fact that my "application center" is apparently always running, but when i click to run it a second instance of the program (another duplicate process) is running that i can actually access versus the other one that is not possible to access or shutdown...

does any of this make sense?

i'm frustrated and i hope this doesn't sound like i'm angry at you...i'm just angry because i ask questions and i get simplistic answers that do not help...

people give solutions such as uninstall the program, or remove it, or pull your battery....but those are lame solutions if not even a solution...

like here is another question....how can you restart the blackberry without taking out the battery? and why would that feature not be included as a default in the phone even though the OS asks you to restart it occasionally when you reinstall a new program...

anyway, i came to this forum to find answers and all i get are responses that do not help...does anybody know where i can find someone to contact that works at RIM in the OS design and implementation department that i could actually have a conversation with and get some answers?

[SteveO86]

Left Alt + Right Cap + Del .. That will restart your phone, without pulling the battery, you can find that by searching....

You must first contact your carrier and if they can not fix it they will pass it on to RIM.

Doesn't sound like a BB is for you.

[jsconyers]

Have you done any research prior to making your purchase?

Originally Posted by JasonSamfield

yes i know this about alt + back...on the storm you hold down the blackberry key...but this doesn't help me stop AIM from starting up every time i reset-restart my phone

Do you have AIM set to Auto Sign-in?

Originally Posted by JasonSamfield

no, the blackberry is a computer....it's the same thing...if you want me to explain the details to you i can, but it's the same thing...it has an operating system and i want better control over the elements running on my operating system

No, the BlackBerry is NOT a computer. It is a mobile device, a cell phone with email and browser capabilities. Yes, it has an operating system, but that hardly makes it a computer. You expect it to run like a Windows PC and it simply will not. Even dumb phones such as the Motorola RAZR have operating systems.

Originally Posted by JasonSamfield

people give solutions such as uninstall the program, or remove it, or pull your battery....but those are lame solutions if not even a solution...

How are these lame solutions if they actually work? The battery pull is known to fix a lot of issues with BlackBerry devices. Take a look here :
1st step to take if device is having problems? - BlackBerryFAQ

Originally Posted by JasonSamfield

like here is another question....how can you restart the blackberry without taking out the battery? and why would that feature not be included as a default in the phone even though the OS asks you to restart it occasionally when you reinstall a new program...

Alt + Caps + Del works on QWERTY devices, I am not sure if it works on the Storm or not. There are also 3rd party applications that accomplish this. If you search the Aftermarket section, you may find what you're looking for.

Originally Posted by JasonSamfield

anyway, i came to this forum to find answers and all i get are responses that do not help...does anybody know where i can find someone to contact that works at RIM in the OS design and implementation department that i could actually have a conversation with and get some answers?

There is a TON of useful knowledge and knowledgeable people on this forum. Just because the answers are not that you want to hear does not make them incorrect answers. A little research before purchasing a BlackBerry would have saved you a lot of grief. You seem to want a laptop more than a BlackBerry.

[JasonSamfield]

Left Alt + Right Cap + Del does not exist on the Storm

i have two programs that will restart my phone, but for some reason when certain databases are being accesses such as my message list or my todo events, it does not let me restart using those programs...it throws a java exception....like that stagnant Application Center program that won't shutdown

what i want is the instruction code that pops up when you install a new program that says "restart now"....why in the hell can that not be an easily accessible feature....geez RIM...cmon

but thanks for the shortcut...it does work on my old blackberry, but on the storm there are not keys, so you cannot press 3 keys at the same time...i wonder if they have a shortcut that replaces that shortcut

[JasonSamfield]

yes i did lots of research...i've had a blackberry since 2007....

aim is not set to auto-sign in....

yes the blackberry storm is a computer and so are all the mobile devices...they all have microprocessors and operating systems and memory...some have secondary storage devices...but they all have their own assembly language and the OS's are all designed using layers...they all use time slicing and they all execute one instruction at a time...they are all von neumann computing machines....and yes it will run like a windows PC....it has a 600+ mhz processor and is a multiprogrammed operating system that allows multiple processes to run simultaneously...

the battery pull is an unnecessary option...it should be a software button....it's very easy to implement....they already have the code there when you install a new program...why not just put that as an option called "restart phone"...that doesn't bother me as much as it used to on my old blackberry because removing the battery was very difficult because the back part of the case was hard to remove...but it's like having a computer that to restart you have to unplug it from the wall....or how about a laptop that you have to take the battery out to restart it....it's the same type of analogy...i don't understand why removing the battery is the only method of restarting the phone that is considered a viable option for restarting the phone....the shortcut is also, but it doesn't exist on the storm yet as far as i know...

have two 3rd party apps...neither works and throws java exceptions....

yes i have read lots of it....i never said it is incorrect per se, but it's incorrect design to solve a problem by pulling the battery or a solution i saw on another thread was just to remove the application causing the problem...i want the application, i do not want to uninstall it...i want to fix the problem being caused by the OS and application interchange...that's what i meant...it's like people who tell me that to fix a windows problem you must format and reinstall...that's a very lame method of solving problems...start from scratch instead of fixing the problem...it's almost as bad as people who fix symptoms but do not fix the underlying problem...

i have a laptop...don't need it because i have a blackberry...and i have a bluetooth keyboard that turns my blackberry into a laptop...i'm limited only by the speed of the processor of the blackberry and the lack of multiple cores...but also i'm limited by applications...

and why is it bad to want my blackberry to perform like i want it? am i asking too much? this is the 21st century...these problems should be solved

[JasonSamfield]

actually i am quite mistaken...the BlackBerry Storm IS a multicore computer...

very intersting...

The Storm utilizes the MSM7600 from Qualcomm[10] a dual core CPU with ARM11 400 Mhz and ARM9 274 Mhz.

and to clarify about the definition of it being a computer is that it is a general purpose computing machine that has some specific computing components....it does not have expandable hardware options minus the secondary storage media expansions, but everything else about the operating system is general purpose and as long as the applications are sanctioned by RIM's API, then they are doable...

[daphne]

and why is it bad to want my blackberry to perform like i want it? am i asking too much? this is the 21st century...these problems should be solved

There is an email address to send suggestions to RIM. I don't recall it at this moment, but it's posted here in some threads. Also you could try the official RIM support forum.

[jsconyers]

[NJBlackBerry]

or even

And perhaps the BlackBerry Storm isn't the right device for you.

[jsconyers]

Good catch NJ!

[JasonSamfield]

i will try those emails

i was thinking that there would be a web form to submit feedback as that's generally how most companies do it, but we'll see if i get a response

but to go back to the original reason i created this thread, does anybody know of a way to control startup applications and processes and services? it would be a program that has the same function as the msconfig utility in Windows

i want to stop AIM from starting up every time my blackberry restarts

well the BlackBerry is the device for me, but it has lots of bugs and memory leaks and lacks some key features that would help alleviate the problems such as a task manager that could show me the CPU loads per processes so i could have a better chance of reverse engineering a solution to my problems

if you think that the device isn't for me, please let me know why you think this and what device you would suggest for me?

a laptop - too big and not necessary because i have a desktop computer that is much faster and more capable than any laptop could provide....

another phone like the iphone - maybe, but the iPhone does not allow more than one program to run at a time....i do not like that feature, but that is partly why it has no problems whereas the storm has problems because the storm is a much more complicated feat of engineering....it is not constrained by the SRS (software requirements specification) that the iPhone is using that says only one app at a time

a non-smart phone - not what i want...i want the apps, browser, and fast processor etc....

my personal opinion on the troubles i'm having with my phone is that BlackBerry is starting to get their operating system closer to a full blown desktop computer operating system in the case of functionality and capabilities....the performance part of that equation is being sacrificed as well as lack of testing and maintenance...i still have yet to get a wireless upgrade on the OS since i purchased it....

all the while that they are creating this massive operating system, they are constrained by trying to conserve battery life in memory operations and access to flash memory and CPU usage because of battery life and also the size and speed of the processor itself....while also trying to create amazing graphics and lots of functionality and keeping the size of the OS to a minimum to meet specs for the hardware....they are also competing against a company with a huge head start in the smart phone genre AND a REALLY HUGE head start in the operating system development department....Apple just had to resize their OS for the phone....whereas, BlackBerry is building an OS for a phone from the ground up....Apple already solved many of the OS related problems in their desktop OS, so when they ported it to the iPhone and iPods, they just had to make minor tweaks and even chose to constrain certain features such as simultaneous multiple applications to save face on any problems that might occur as well as provide the speed and efficiency demanded in the mobile phone market

in the end, i think BlackBerry has done a fine job overall, but i think that they need to address some key issues that are lacking for more technical users....i think that if they address these issues, they will remain a very competitive force in the near future and could have just swept the market share away if their phone blew the minds of the public...but instead they were looking to the short term and working to appease their investors and stunted their growth and potential with a phone that was not 100% ready to be released...

maybe i'm completely, wrong, but i'd like to see some evidence that the phone was not pre-released and doesn't contain a number of bugs that have yet to be addressed...i'd also like to see a mapping of bugs and features and complexity in comparison to other mobile phone operating systems such as Symbian, Palm OS, Windows Mobile v6, Android, and the infamous iPhone OS v2 and now the new v3 that is supposed to arrive soon...

[JSanders]

Originally Posted by JasonSamfield

i'm frustrated and i hope this doesn't sound like i'm angry at you...i'm just angry because i ask questions and i get simplistic answers that do not help...

people give solutions such as uninstall the program, or remove it, or pull your battery....but those are lame solutions if not even a solution...

like here is another question....how can you restart the blackberry without taking out the battery? and why would that feature not be included as a default in the phone even though the OS asks you to restart it occasionally when you reinstall a new program...

anyway, i came to this forum to find answers and all i get are responses that do not help...does anybody know where i can find someone to contact that works at RIM in the OS design and implementation department that i could actually have a conversation with and get some answers?

Why why why.

You don't want help with your device, it is clear from those statements. You want to redesign the OS. RIM has very clearly published phone numbers and contacts on their website.

We are not an official RIM forum. I think we have been all the help we can be to you on the help side of things. If you just are here for debate, please state so, and we'll continue on in that vein.

[dc/dc]

It will be interesting to see how RIM responds to someone with such poor grammar and spelling. My guess is that your e-mail probably will be deleted after the first "paragraph".

[jsconyers]

Originally Posted by JasonSamfield

if you think that the device isn't for me, please let me know why you think this and what device you would suggest for me?.

From reading your posts, I'd recommend a Windows Mobile device.

[NJBlackBerry]

That doesn't meet the stability requirements

From what I've read (or tried to read), he has the following requirements.

. smaller than a laptop, but with the same capabilities
. best pieces of Symbian (but faster), Windows Mobile (more stable), iPhone (with multi tasking) and Palm OS (RIP)
. can't be too big or too small. Just Right.
. likely Linux based so that "more technical users" can reverse engineer it (and hack, like Palm OS)

I'm sure there are more requirements.

[SteveO86]

NetBook.

[JasonSamfield]

it's gotta fit in my pocket

[JasonSamfield]

and i didn't misspell anything....and i typed in slang and without correct punctuation because this is an informal forum...i guess i should adhere to my normal ways of writing because i take serious offense to that remark considering how i feel about poor grammar and spelling on the Internet....

[NJBlackBerry]

u r rite.
c, its ezy to find stuf here.

There is no device that fits your needs (or in your pocket).

[dc/dc]

Originally Posted by JasonSamfield

and i didn't misspell anything....and i typed in slang and without correct punctuation because this is an informal forum...i guess i should adhere to my normal ways of writing because i take serious offense to that remark considering how i feel about poor grammar and spelling on the Internet....

Hi pot, I'm kettle.

[JasonSamfield]

~Exactly the same size as a mobile phone like the BlackBerry Storm.

~Capabilities of the BlackBerry Storm without the bugs and non-configurable details.

~Multi-Core microprocessor, but the Storm already has that.

~Multi-tasking, but the Storm already has that.

~Actually, I do not like open source software because it is buggy. The design of most open source projects lacks the centralized and top down approach to building software.

~Numerous useful applications and popularity so that many developers create BlackBerry applications for the Storm that utilize it's amazing capabilities and big screen and SurePress technology.

~An app store for a fluid and standardized way to evaluate third party applications and disseminate a ratings system for the usefulness of such apps just like what BlackBerry did on March 31st with the release of their World App Store.

~Designing the phone to utilize the 1 GB onboard device memory for applications instead of just wasting it since everyone is going to store their media files on their external microSDHC cards.

~Implementing a task manager that can show the CPU percentage usage and more detailed information about the services and processes running so that rogue processes and underlying background and foreground services can be better monitored and controlled by the user when troubleshooting problems such as memory leaks, CPU hogging, and bloatware from poorly designed and tested software.

~Feature request: Allow the SureType keyboard to be available in landscape mode and portrait mode because my fingers are not small enough to accurately press the individual QWERTY keys on the QWERTY keyboard in landscape mode nor can they accurately press the individual keys on any phone that doesn't have larger buttons. This is actually a strong HCI (Human Computer Interaction) requirement for all devices that has been largely ignored in recent times for creating devices that are less ergonomic because of their size yet retention of functionality.

~A way to alter the paradigm of "restarting a computer" or "rebooting" without impairing the system's performance over a lengthy period of continuing system execution. Basically, system complexity phenomenons arise when complex systems are run for a lengthy amount of time relinquishing the stability of such a system because while designed with some deterministic functionality, phenomenons arise out of the non-deterministic aspect of complex systems creating anomalies that are not caught without significant testing.

Originally Posted by NJBlackBerry

That doesn't meet the stability requirements

From what I've read (or tried to read), he has the following requirements.

. smaller than a laptop, but with the same capabilities
. best pieces of Symbian (but faster), Windows Mobile (more stable), iPhone (with multi tasking) and Palm OS (RIP)
. can't be too big or too small. Just Right.
. likely Linux based so that "more technical users" can reverse engineer it (and hack, like Palm OS)

I'm sure there are more requirements.

[dc/dc]

Originally Posted by JasonSamfield

it's gotta fit in my pocket

A netbook will fit in the pocket of a pair of Jnco jeans.

[NJBlackBerry]

Thank you for articulating your requirements.
There is no device that fits your needs (or in your pocket).

Perhaps you can design and build your own.

[JasonSamfield]

Originally Posted by NJBlackBerry

u r rite.
c, its ezy to find stuf here.

There is no device that fits your needs (or in your pocket).

I just realized why none of you understand the situation nor seem to care about my extraneous concerns regarding the abilities of the Storm. All, but two, maybe one, of you are using a device other than the BlackBerry Storm 9530 or 9500 series.

And thanks for the sarcasm, I appreciate the humbling reciprocity.

[JasonSamfield]

I do not have the resources to design, implement, test and distribute and produce my own device, so I am limited by my consumer choice and any feedback that I can give to whoever can use it to build a better device.

[JasonSamfield]

Originally Posted by dc/dc

A netbook will fit in the pocket of a pair of Jnco jeans.

Looking for a real solution that exists already or the nearest solution.

Also, it has to work on the cellular networks. Do netbooks work in this manner?

[JasonSamfield]

Originally Posted by NJBlackBerry

Thank you for articulating your requirements.
There is no device that fits your needs (or in your pocket).

Perhaps you can design and build your own.

Actually, the BlackBerry Storm does meet these requirements minus a select few which is what I'm advocating that either RIM or a third party application create to access and harness the API for BlackBerry's OS to take charge of the processes running on the system to give the user better control. I wrote those requirements purposely to show that the BlackBerry Storm is the correct device.

¬The iPhone is not because it does not support simultaneous application execution.

¬A netbook has no phone device and is much larger than desired.

¬A laptop is way too large and not necessary because smart phones exist and my desktop is my primary computer that I will always choose over any type of laptop.

¬HTC, Android, Symbian, and Windows Mobile devices do not have SureType or SurePress technology.

[wabbit]

Originally Posted by JasonSamfield

actually i am quite mistaken...the BlackBerry Storm IS a multicore computer...

very intersting...


and to clarify about the definition of it being a computer is that it is a general purpose computing machine that has some specific computing components....it does not have expandable hardware options minus the secondary storage media expansions, but everything else about the operating system is general purpose and as long as the applications are sanctioned by RIM's API, then they are doable...

my 50 inch plasma tv runs linux, why cant i ssh to the tv and do a ps command for running commands? my linksys router has 2 os running at the same time and syncin why cant i login as root to a console to it?
the same can be said about my dish network receiver its a computer, it capures and deciphers packets why cant i get a list of running apps?

the key answer is, these devices like your blackberry run a redefined set functions while some are user accessible others are not. which define the device.
heck an atm machine runs windows 3.1 why do we not see a task manager on that?

unfortunately for you the device is probably not for you or your liking. you can only close running programs, and i dont remember the buttons on a storm you press to get the list to close them, thats the only task manager you have. like in other systems some features are locked out.

[VIOLATOR]

I am really enjoying this thread.

I appreciate the intellect, knowledge and experience the OP possesses as well as most of the responses. I also understand that the OP "wants" the BB to be something it is not as of this date and I am sure their are valid reasons the features he wants is not included in the OS.

Be it consumer end cost increase to include additional features, program size, compatibility problems, etc.

The abilities and function of the mobile phone have drastically changed in the last several years and I fully anticipate in a few more years these phones will dam near be the full equivalent of a laptop.


I know that did not answer any of the OP's questions but since this thread has kind of turned into a debate - I just figured I would throw my 2 cents and reiterate that I am truly enjoying reading this thread.


David

[wabbit]

well some devices are built like junk, take the iphone, its not hard to jail break it get a console on the phone and break what ever you feel like, unlike ijunk, most phones are designed to keep people from this.

[dc/dc]

Originally Posted by JasonSamfield

Looking for a real solution that exists already or the nearest solution.

Also, it has to work on the cellular networks. Do netbooks work in this manner?

Yes, as a matter of fact they do.

Originally Posted by wabbit

well some devices are built like junk, take the iphone, its not hard to jail break it get a console on the phone and break what ever you feel like, unlike ijunk, most phones are designed to keep people from this.

What does this have to do with the price of tea in China?

[wabbit]

Originally Posted by dc/dc

Yes, as a matter of fact they do.



What does this have to do with the price of tea in China?

made them switch to coco.

[dc/dc]

Originally Posted by wabbit

made them switch to coco.

Verdad.

[NJBlackBerry]

Jason - I *had* a 9530 and could not stand it. So it sits, along with many other devices that don't work for me in the big box under my desk. It's right next to my Bold and 8220 Flip. They didn't work for me.

I wanted to like it, just like I wanted to like the iPhone. The iPhone doesn't sit under my desk. It makes a dandy iPod Touch.

The 8900 Javelin/Curve suits my purposes very nicely. I hope that one day you will find a device that works for you. Rather than obsess or get stressed about it, I moved on. Again, that works for me.

[JasonSamfield]

Originally Posted by wabbit

my 50 inch plasma tv runs linux, why cant i ssh to the tv and do a ps command for running commands? my linksys router has 2 os running at the same time and syncin why cant i login as root to a console to it?
the same can be said about my dish network receiver its a computer, it capures and deciphers packets why cant i get a list of running apps?

if it's running linux, you can do that actually

what OSes (plural of OS? i don't know...haha) is your linksys router running? they are probably not very high level operating systems....the BlackBerry 4.7 OS is a very high level OS comparable to most other mobile operating systems and really comparable to many desktop operating systems such as Vista and OS X....it's just limiting some features for space and features for performance because of the hardware limitations...the BB OS can be run as a VM on a Vista machine and this is actually how most app developers work to develop apps for it....

so yes it is a decent operating system...but my point which seems to have been missed is that a very good feature in an operating system is the ability to control the processes running....too many background and automatic services and processes run in complex systems that install or get installed without your knowledge and therefore at certain times can run your system to the ground or drain precious CPU and memory resources...i want to limit that activity and or turn it off completely...but how can i debug the problem if that feature was excluded...

and the feature had to be included originally for the creators of the OS to develop the OS...so why did they exclude it from the release candidate for the phone? well, probably because the OS was made for all the blackberries that it supports and so that limits the processor speeds and cores and memory...so they scaled down the OS tons...although the Storm has the hardware to support it (minus their weird snippet to store the apps in a 12.5% section of the 1 GB onboard memory)...maybe they will stop supporting the older phones and move the OS into a 4.8 or version 5.0+ that will bloat it some, but include and support the features that are necessary for it to be a competitive mobile OS in this new generation of smart phones

Originally Posted by wabbit

the key answer is, these devices like your blackberry run a redefined set functions while some are user accessible others are not. which define the device.
heck an atm machine runs windows 3.1 why do we not see a task manager on that?

yeah, it's got a set of predefined functions, but so does Vista...the BlackBerry is only different because it is not built to support hardware upgrades and expansions and is purpose built for a specific type of microprocessor and other hardware constraints...and it's primary focus was to save and maximize energy for memory operations and CPU execution so people do not get scared of the small amount of talk time since the OS was designed for a mobile phone first, then computer second...the atm has that capability if it's running windows 3.1 or whatever, but it's not enabled for the user....for security reasons....but on your own personal device it should be enabled for power users...i see no reason why not...jail breaking a phone? that can be done by looking at the assembly code which can be downloaded already, so it doesn't make a difference per se...

first there were phones that used embedded systems, then more features were added...then came third party software and expansions on the OS...it's these latest features which have introduced the general purpose computing that is familiar to us as a desktop or laptop computer...but a smart phone is gradually reaching that level...i think they should have just reached a little higher on this phone to make it off the hook and blow away the competition instead of settling for semi-better than mediocre...

Originally Posted by wabbit

unfortunately for you the device is probably not for you or your liking. you can only close running programs, and i dont remember the buttons on a storm you press to get the list to close them, thats the only task manager you have. like in other systems some features are locked out.

hold the blackberry button and then the app list pops up....but those are applications only and it does not let you force an application to shutdown if it is misbehaving which can easily happen in any system whether it be an OS X mac, Vista, BB OS, Symbian...anything...also, many "applications" have multiple processes running....some are background and some are foreground...and so on...that is the hidden level of the OS that is befuddling me because those layers are misbehaving also and i cannot find out which or control which ones are acting up or find out why...memory leaks? infinite loops? database corruption? and on top of that...there are many services that are running that are in the background that i cannot control or turn off...these are checking for messages for various apps and wireless upgrades and all kinds of stuff that i'd rather run when i have the time to give up CPU time rather than when i want to make a phone call...

[JasonSamfield]

Originally Posted by dc/dc

Yes, as a matter of fact they do.

netbooks are not phones...they are internet devices soley unless you run a program that turns it into a phone, but the physical design of a netbook was not to act as a phone that you put to your ear...

i want a phone that i put to my ear that also have the internet and app capability that the storm has...i just want it to have better control of the bugs, memory leaks, and interprocess communication that is making it hard to use

[JasonSamfield]

Originally Posted by NJBlackBerry

Jason - I *had* a 9530 and could not stand it. So it sits, along with many other devices that don't work for me in the big box under my desk. It's right next to my Bold and 8220 Flip. They didn't work for me.

I wanted to like it, just like I wanted to like the iPhone. The iPhone doesn't sit under my desk. It makes a dandy iPod Touch.

The 8900 Javelin/Curve suits my purposes very nicely. I hope that one day you will find a device that works for you. Rather than obsess or get stressed about it, I moved on. Again, that works for me.

intersting...the plot thickens

i'm curious to find out why the storm and the iphone did not work for you? what was the defining moment or synergistic event that caused you to revert to an older model phone? the touch screen interface?

just an idea, but BlackBerry is coming out with a hybrid touchscreen phone soon ( http://www.cnbc.com/id/30013378 )

[JasonSamfield]

Originally Posted by wabbit

well some devices are built like junk, take the iphone, its not hard to jail break it get a console on the phone and break what ever you feel like, unlike ijunk, most phones are designed to keep people from this.

the Blackberry is less restricting than the iPhone as far as apps and media storage...the apps on an iPhone are restricted through apple's policies and approval and any third party apps not approved by apple void warranties and so on...

Blackberry has actually been the Microsoft of mobile computing for a while now with their less centralized app development and control over the third party apps

for example, the iPhone got it's first office application back in september...the Blackberry has had office apps for a much longer time...blackberry is ahead of the curve in most respects