Freezing. Sluggish. Enough is enough.

[djm2]

Originally Posted by ApacheIndian

I'm glad you brought up BBM. It is STUPID. There is no point other than some weird feeling of belonging to a "special BlackBerry club." Text or email serve the exact same purpose.

I don't want her PIN. I want her to pin me.

How pathetic.

[ApacheIndian]

Originally Posted by jsconyers

please explain how BES is prehistoric.

Google Apps Outlook Sync for Microsoft Outlook

Microsoft's hegemony is over.

[jsconyers]

Originally Posted by ApacheIndian

I'm glad you brought up BBM. It is STUPID. There is no point other than some weird feeling of belonging to a "special BlackBerry club." Text [...] serve[s] the exact same purpose.

SMS is not the same as BBM.

BBM gives you delivery/receipt notifications. You can use BBM internationally without extra (international) costs. You don't have to have an additional plan, it's included with your data plan, unlike having to add an additional texting plan.

This further shows your ignorance.

[jsconyers]

Originally Posted by ApacheIndian

Google Apps Outlook Sync for Microsoft Outlook

Microsoft's hegemony is over.

You realize BES is NOT Microsoft, right?

I am a BES administrator in a Novell environment, using GroupWise. Nothing Microsoft, no Active Directory.

You really need to educate yourself before you make posts like this. It makes you look extremely idiotic (especially for a self-proclaimed technophile).

Also, that link has nothing to do with BES. Not a single thing. So again, I will raise the question. How is BES prehistoric?

[djm2]

Originally Posted by jsconyers

You realize BES is NOT Microsoft, right?

I am a BES administrator in a Novell environment, using GroupWise. Nothing Microsoft, no Active Directory.

You really need to educate yourself before you make posts like this. It makes you look extremely idiotic.

I think this in fact is much of the problem. He believes he is in the Top 10% in knowledge of these matters. He might in fact be closer to the bottom 10% (although I suspect bottom 35% personally). He will have problems with his droid as well.

[djm2]

Originally Posted by ApacheIndian

And no I'm not gonna go over the [very few] apps I have installed or how much memory I have. Even though I know that that is not the problem and that the problem is simply that BB is a piece-of-shiznit, I am not going to indulge in this stupid exercise any more.

I call BS.

[wabbit]

Originally Posted by ApacheIndian

Google Android does seamlessly out of the box

oh really?

while it sync it with google thats it. htc was shipping android phones which cant be branded "by google" due to adding exchange to the os.

the phone can only sync with google.

the sad part is every phone on the market can sync with google. 99% of out of the box too.

iphone syncs with google. windows mobile syncs with google, and blackberry's sync with google.

Get calendar alerts. Using your BlackBerry® smartphone's native calendar, you can now access your Google calendar even when you don't have network coverage, and be alerted for upcoming appointments with sound or vibration. It automatically runs in the background, so you can attend to other tasks and still be reminded of your appointments.

Always in sync. Your calendar stays synchronized whether you access it from your computer or your phone. You can add or edit entries right on your BlackBerry® smartphone or on your Google Calendar on the web. Synchronize one or many calendars at the same time.

Synchronize your contacts. Get your Gmail contacts quickly and easily to your BlackBerry smartphone. With Sync, you can have access to your address book at any time and place that you need it.

you are really ignorant.

[ApacheIndian]

Originally Posted by jsconyers

SMS is not the same as BBM.

BBM gives you delivery/receipt notifications. You can use BBM internationally without extra (international) costs. You don't have to have an additional plan, it's included with your data plan, unlike having to add an additional texting plan.
.

I said text OR EMAIL

Hooked on phonics are we?

[ApacheIndian]

Originally Posted by wabbit

oh really?
blackberry's sync with google.

Please. This is the clunkiest crap I've ever seen. I tried it and after almost killing myself I gave up.

BES is crap -- a clumsy, high-maintenance, high cost product to sync mobile and desktop PIM data right? Without getting crazy about it -- that's basically it right?

I'm sorry jsconyers now I understand why you are so pissed off. Google cloudware basically makes your job obsolete. Modern day Luddites the lot of you! If it's any consolation you are not alone -- technological advancements always displace people and render entire industries irrelevant. Your resistance is expected, predictable even.

[wabbit]

Originally Posted by ApacheIndian

I said text OR EMAIL

Hooked on phonics are we?

cant read the distinction between sms and bbm?

maybe you should drop the hooked on phonics course.

[wabbit]

Originally Posted by ApacheIndian

Please. I tried it and after almost killing myself I gave up.

further proof that you're very far from tech savvy, or even know what you're doing.

unlike google.com computers are not for everyone, nor are mobile devices, or cars for that fact.

tho most people can attain any of the above this does not merit they are tech savvy, know how to drive, or are signs of intelligence. its not a merit badge you show you know what you're talking about.

[jsconyers]

Originally Posted by ApacheIndian

BES is crap -- a clumsy, high-maintenance, high cost product to sync mobile and desktop PIM data right? Without getting crazy about it -- that's basically it right?

I'm sorry jsconyers now I understand why you are so pissed off. Google cloudware basically makes your job obsolete. Modern day Luddites the lot of you! If it's any consolation you are not alone -- technological advancements always displace people and render entire industries irrelevant. Your resistance is expected, predictable even.

How is BES crap? First, you admittedly said you don't know what it is and you further proved that by posting an irrelevant link. You cannot say it is clumsy, high maintenance, or anything seeing as you have NEVER used it. You know absolutely NOTHING about it.

Please provide personal experience telling me how it is clunky and high maintenance. Until then, please do not speak upon things you know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about!

For about the 32nd time in this thread, you are WRONG. I am not pissed off. I have no reason to be. I deal with people that don't know what they're talking about and act like they do on a daily basis. I'm quite used to it. If you knew anything about working in the I.T field (which it's pretty evident that you do not) then you would know that you grow with the field. Again, I am not concerned with Google. My line of work is within the Government, I highly doubt they would ever trust Google with their data. I am not saying the Cloud is not the future, however, I am saying that it has a ways to go.

For you, it works. For everyone else, it may not. You do realize that not everyone sees things as you do, right?

[wabbit]

i just need to know one thing, what was Belichick thinking on sunday.

[jsconyers]

Originally Posted by wabbit

i just need to know one thing, what was Belichick thinking on sunday.

Hahaha. Who knows, it was a bad call. He made a bad decision. Much like Apache's decision to purchase a BlackBerry.

[jsconyers]

Apache,

Let me attempt to inform/educate you on what a BES can do.

I can lookup any email address for anyone within our global address book. I don't need to have their address stored on my device. I can access intranet sites, internal sites from my device. I can delete email from my device and keep them on my mail client. Then I can search for the email from the device and see it. I don't need to store it on my device. I can keep my device much more clean and organized this way.

I can search other user's calenders when scheduling appointments to see if their free at that time. Yes, I can do a busy search for other users from MY BlackBerry. I can see and store email in other folders and have them synchronize back to the mailbox and vice versa. Can Google do all of this?

That's all without going into security, I am not even going to touch that, because there's nothing out there that compares in that category. So keep trying....

[ArgonNJ]

Originally Posted by jsconyers

Hahaha. Who knows, it was a bad call. He made a bad decision. Much like Apache's decision to purchase a BlackBerry.

Another yard on the spot and he would have been a hero.

[wabbit]

Originally Posted by ArgonNJ

Another yard on the spot and he would have been a hero.

i swore the colts were done and brady was going for moss or welker not faulk.

[CoDudette]

Originally Posted by ApacheIndian

CoDudette you are sexy

I know. I was born with good looks. lucky me. of course, sidetracking what i had said was probably your way of again.. as everyone has said avoiding the fact you are probably wrong.

Originally Posted by ApacheIndian

What? haha -- don't get overly Freudian friend, I simply think CoDudette is sexy and want her to pull on my mullet that's all

Aww fanks mate, but anyone who resorts to name calling as a means of defense doesn't get my vote. so as *tempting* as the offer sounds of pulling your oh so *sexy* mullet, i'l give it a miss.

Originally Posted by Thatzmister2u

Maybe she will share her PIN with you!!! Oh wait....you'll have a droid....

DAMNIT! now how will i be able to indulge in meaningful conversation with him?

Originally Posted by ApacheIndian

I'm glad you brought up BBM. It is STUPID. There is no point other than some weird feeling of belonging to a "special BlackBerry club." Text or email serve the exact same purpose.

I don't want her PIN. I want her to pin me.

BBM is stupid? Wow.. Ok then. You're really anti blackberry.
Shucks you're breaking my heart. You don't want my pin.. and here i was SO ready to send it to you. you're hurting my feelings.

[jbairdjr]

Wirelessly posted

This thread is like a bad car wreck. I know I should just drive by, but I can't help but to slow down and look.

[SteveO86]

Originally Posted by jbairdjr

Wirelessly posted

This thread is like a bad car wreck. I know I should just drive by, but I can't help but to slow down and look.

To that..



Not that I need to defend the BES.. but it has to be by far the least high maintenanced server in my environment. It just sits their a runs the only time I mess with it when I have to add a user/change device.

I guess it all depends on if it was setup correctly or not.

[aiharkness]

Wirelessly posted (8820)

Originally Posted by jbairdjr

Wirelessly posted

This thread is like a bad car wreck. I know I should just drive by, but I can't help but to slow down and look.

No, this is painful to me. I live this some days with some people. They are not just less competent than they need to be, they think they are doing a good job and don't realize their shortcomings and errors. To them, their scewups are because of someone or something else beyond their control, never them. And they truly believe it. They never learn from their mistakes caused by their flawed logic and baseless assumptions and never improve their thinking process the next time around; they don't even realize they need to improve.

[djm2]

Originally Posted by jbairdjr

Wirelessly posted

This thread is like a bad car wreck. I know I should just drive by, but I can't help but to slow down and look.

[djm2]

Originally Posted by aiharkness

Wirelessly posted (8820)



No, this is painful to me. I live this some days with some people. They are not just less competent than they need to be, they think they are doing a good job and don't realize their shortcomings and errors. To them, their scewups are because of someone or something else beyond their control, never them. And they truly believe it. They never learn from their mistakes caused by their flawed logic and baseless assumptions and never improve their thinking process the next time around; they don't even realize they need to improve.

Ira, you are of course correct in that. They are indeed the most dangerous employees to have, because they believe that they are so knowledgeable and thus are resistant to learning from their mistakes. It is the definition of hubris.

And before Mr. Apache returns and asserts that this is what I am doing in this circumstance, let me calmly inform him that if the BB begins to fail to meet my fundamental core requirements, then I will look elsewhere. Right now it is not.

[Noodle22]

The one thing I don't get, is why the OP is still here? He complains about his device, other's offer help, he then complains some more, someone tries to trouble shoot with him, he starts name calling.

Yet again, someone tries to help him, and he starts hitting on a member of the forum. The earlier poster who guessed he was 16, I believe that guess was right.

No rational adult would act like this. I talk to ignorant people all day, and I've never seen someone so blind, eventually they listen to reason. I call troll on this one, but I don't know if he's being stupid for attention, or if he just is.

This is a place for support and help with our devices, if all your going to do is bash it, then why don't you start an anti blackberry forum and talk to yourself about it there?

[aiharkness]

Wirelessly posted (8820)

Originally Posted by Noodle22

The one thing I don't get, is why the OP is still here? He complains about his device, other's offer help, he then complains some more, someone tries to trouble shoot with him, he starts name calling.

Yet again, someone tries to help him, and he starts hitting on a member of the forum. The earlier poster who guessed he was 16, I believe that guess was right.

No rational adult would act like this. I talk to ignorant people all day, and I've never seen someone so blind, eventually they listen to reason. I call troll on this one, but I don't know if he's being stupid for attention, or if he just is.

This is a place for support and help with our devices, if all your going to do is bash it, then why don't you start an anti blackberry forum and talk to yourself about it there?

I remember when Apache joined the forum. Those who hang out here know the answer to your question. The others who come to get an answer and that's it won't understand.

Look at the iphone fans who come back to argue and debate, not to pick on them, but just an example.

It's the people, it's the forum environment, it's the place.

[Noodle22]

Definately, and it does keep this place interesting ;)

I guess I should rephrase it to, why is he here to debate if he only chooses to listen to some questions, and ignore all others? A debate should not have one side being selective as to what he responds. I'd really just like to see him answer a few things that he has chosen to ignore

[aiharkness]

Wirelessly posted (8820)

Originally Posted by Noodle22

Definately, and it does keep this place interesting ;)

I guess I should rephrase it to, why is he here to debate if he only chooses to listen to some questions, and ignore all others? A debate should not have one side being selective as to what he responds. I'd really just like to see him answer a few things that he has chosen to ignore

Yup..... And the answer is, it is who he is.

Sorry to talk about you like you are not here, Apache. I've wanted to defend you, but you make it too dang hard.

[CoDudette]

sometimes when people talk rubbish and pretend that they know it all, you just take it with a pinch of salt and let it go. but apache here is crossing a fine line between talking crap, and behaving like a complete troll. unfortunately, his name calling, and his remarks in people's direction, and then insulting and then plain bashing out at some of the most knowledgable members of the forum is just uncalled for. i mean.. ok, we all have a laugh, but it's ALL IN JEST without any sort of malice. but this guy just doesn't get it. however, having said that, he got the attention that he wanted, however negative.

so well done apache. you came and got what you wanted..however, i have absolutely no respect for what you may or may not have to say.

[daphne]

Originally Posted by Noodle22

The one thing I don't get, is why the OP is still here? He complains about his device, other's offer help, he then complains some more, someone tries to trouble shoot with him, he starts name calling.

Troll (Internet) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[2]

[kathrynhr]

Originally Posted by ApacheIndian

I'm sorry jsconyers now I understand why you are so pissed off. Google cloudware basically makes your job obsolete. Modern day Luddites the lot of you! If it's any consolation you are not alone -- technological advancements always displace people and render entire industries irrelevant. Your resistance is expected, predictable even.

Thank you for the best laugh I've had in a long time.

Google's cloudware is nifty for personal use. I use the heck out of it every day, on my BB no less. I needed neither a detailed tutorial nor a mullet to accomplish this, BTW...

While you certainly have a point about online apps being the wave of the future, Google's technology and business models offer neither data control nor true data ownership. They are downright dangerous for business use at this time. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't trust my money to a bank, say, that ran its business on Google's apps.

[ArgonNJ]

Originally Posted by kathrynhr

Thank you for the best laugh I've had in a long time.

Google's cloudware is nifty for personal use. I use the heck out of it every day, on my BB no less. I needed neither a detailed tutorial nor a mullet to accomplish this, BTW...

While you certainly have a point about online apps being the wave of the future, Google's technology and business models offer neither data control nor true data ownership. They are downright dangerous for business use at this time. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't trust my money to a bank, say, that ran its business on Google's apps.

FYI, the city of LA is switching to gmail for the cities email system. The cloud is the future and your data is probably safer with Google then with some IT professionals I've worked with.

[jbairdjr]

I think we are missing the fact that Google having all of your information is NOT good policy. Google uses that data the way they choose (ads, etc.).
LA is moving to Google because they (along with other California cities and the state) are broke, and they are looking to cut costs. It has nothing to do with convenience or the higher quality.
I use Google products and love them. But I assume that my data is being looked at by Google and wouldn't trust anything there I wanted a secret.

[aiharkness]

Wirelessly posted (8820)

jbaidjr, I reckon you are correct about LA's motives, assuming that that news is true (and I'm not disputing it). But I would be curious if they are putting _everything_ on google, and what arrangement they have with google ..... It is probably no problem to use google services which could be IT products created exclusively for paying customers, and not the "free" services offered to the general user. If -- and I'm not saying it is happening -- but if LA is using regular old google for business sensitive work, really for any city business, someone has made a big mistake. I would expect LA is not using regular "free" google services, and that google through a contract is providing for the data preservation and security that you would expect.

That said, personally, if I had intellectual property, data, or information that was highly sought after, I would be very resistant to using so-called cloud services.

[ApacheIndian]

Google Aims To Remake Computers - Forbes.com

You can accept it now, or you can accept it later...

Sorry CoDudette, I'm not into fobs (never did master the horizontal head nod)

[ApacheIndian]

Originally Posted by kathrynhr

Thank you for the best laugh I've had in a long time.

Google's cloudware is nifty for personal use. I use the heck out of it every day, on my BB no less. I needed neither a detailed tutorial nor a mullet to accomplish this, BTW...

While you certainly have a point about online apps being the wave of the future, Google's technology and business models offer neither data control nor true data ownership. They are downright dangerous for business use at this time. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't trust my money to a bank, say, that ran its business on Google's apps.

Now I'm gonna really piss some people off, but I gotta say it. You are a woman and sorry but women don't know technology anyway. So your opinion is really irrelevant.

"wouldn't trust with..." -- (sigh), deja vu from the the mid 90's and the advent of the internet...

[kathrynhr]

Originally Posted by ApacheIndian

Now I'm gonna really piss some people off, but I gotta say it. You are a woman and sorry but women don't know technology anyway. So your opinion is really irrelevant.

"wouldn't trust with..." -- (sigh), deja vu from the the mid 90's and the advent of the internet...

This woman -- apart from being a USAF veteran, which I'm sure you'll appreciate -- has spent the last 16 years writing software. Professionally. Out-earning her lawyer husband, in fact, and doing it while running a household, raising a family, and still being the hotness if I do say so myself.

You have no idea how much pleasure I take in being underestimated. Apart from the sheer entertainment value, it makes my job very, very easy.

I'd invite you to continue, if only for my own amusement, but I can't imagine that you will be here much longer.

[aiharkness]

Wirelessly posted (8820)

Originally Posted by ApacheIndian

Now I'm gonna really piss some people off, but I gotta say it. You are a woman and sorry but women don't know technology anyway. So your opinion is really irrelevant.



"wouldn't trust with..." -- (sigh), deja vu from the the mid 90's and the advent of the internet...

Ok, that is troll behavior. I agree.

EDIT: What I mean is I agree with the troll accusations. I don't agree with that remark.

[juwaack68]

Originally Posted by ApacheIndian

Now I'm gonna really piss some people off, but I gotta say it. You are a woman and sorry but women don't know technology anyway. So your opinion is really irrelevant.

[raynicolini]

all I can say is " WOW "

[ApacheIndian]

Will be picking up Droid tomorrow. Will post initial thoughts shortly thereafter. I'm sure there will be both positives and negatives and again, I'll try to be objective. One thing I'm pretty sure of -- for people who can rely on Gmail and Google Calendar it will likely be seamless and outstanding. I'd imagine it would be less than perfect for those who need to rely on MSFT products -- Outlook, exchange, etc. But again, I feel that those services are obsolete and predict that they will be falling by the wayside in ensuing years anyway.