[ItsAllVerbatim]

Originally Posted by ApacheIndian View Post
iPhone has not yet ousted BB for a couple reasons -- 1) BB has a 7 year head start, 2) iPhone has no keyboard. But despite iPhone's meteoric rise in popularity in a few short years, RIM has failed to respond... no good touchscreen phone (again, the Storm is an abysmal failure), no more user-friendly device, very poor selection of apps, Audible still does not work, etc. (Have y'all seen the ZipCar iPhone app? It is OUTSTANDING. Any hope to see it on BB -- ever? Doubt it.)

Sit down...Apple has been working on the iPhone since 1998.


"1998?! Shut up, ItsAllVerbatim! You don't know what you're talking about!"




No, I don't. But the Apple dev techs who designed the iPhone, and later volunteered to design custom-made apps for military applications do.

[ItsAllVerbatim]

Originally Posted by djm2

I suspect that this thread illustrates some of the tension between the BB as a consumer device and the BB as a business device.

Which is irrelevant. And makes the OP look like a tool.

Look, if you want flashy features and intentionally misspelled name with non-primary color case, get a Verizon EnV Touch or a Voyager.

If you want reliability, push e-mail and information, not drunken text messages, at your fingertips, you choose a BB.
Simple as that.

It's not supposed to be a "consumer" device and it never will. If anything, RIM has marketed it as a "sophisticated" device, not "business" or "consumer". Those two categories are a fallacy and arrogantly black and white.

The only app commercial you see outside of primetime is ETrade for iPhone. Does that make the iPhone a business device?

Didn't think so.

[ItsAllVerbatim]

Originally Posted by jbairdjr

Blah Blah Blah
Another post of assumptions and unsupported predictions.

+5

[bbtourvz]

Try downloading and installing Quick Pull app whenever my BB Tour is acting up that is a quick fix.

[wabbit]

Originally Posted by ApacheIndian

Ok. That's fine. I'm outnumbered by a lot of tech people who apparently think that BB is just perfect. "It's your fault!" Did you clean out the memory? Run the memory hack? Delete programs? Pull the battery? Get the updated OS? 10 minutes to boot up -- so what?" Right. Normal people have time to do this all day long right?

iPhone has not yet ousted BB for a couple reasons -- 1) BB has a 7 year head start, 2) iPhone has no keyboard. But despite iPhone's meteoric rise in popularity in a few short years, RIM has failed to respond... no good touchscreen phone (again, the Storm is an abysmal failure), no more user-friendly device, very poor selection of apps, Audible still does not work, etc. (Have y'all seen the ZipCar iPhone app? It is OUTSTANDING. Any hope to see it on BB -- ever? Doubt it.)

just go buy an iphone ffs.

[morfy50]

RIM is in pretty good shape heading into 2010. So far we're hearing (and I'm sure I'm missing a few):

- OpenGL support
- Torch webkit browser with flash support
- Better support for syncing mail/calendar with BIS 3.0/3.1
- Location based services
- Some super apps (LinkedIn, Ebay, Loopt)
- Some very slick new devices (I'm praying for the touch screen with physical keyboard)

IMO, RIM is moving in the right direction!

[ApacheIndian]

The "Mark Prior Opened" function basically takes like 2 minutes to complete, rendering my Tour useless during that time

Yelp is a great website and outstanding app on iPhone, it is terrible on BB.

For the record I have an iPhone as well -- for a separate business line -- so I know both devices quite well. And as I have already mentioned, for email, BB beats the iPhone hands down. And that pretty much comes down to 1) keyboard and 2) instant email delivery technology that RIM has heretofore had a lock on. And that is exactly why I have been devoted to BB so long. iPhone (and possibly Droid/Android) definitely have the upper hand when it comes to apps. And while that app difference is getting bigger and bigger everyday -- with BB falling badly behind, the email advantage of the BB is getting smaller and smaller.

I recently read a popular tech blogger refer to these devices as "App phones" -- many would agree. Going forward its the APPS that will separate the winners from the losers. (I include ease of use/low-maintenance under this umbrella.) I was discussing this with a fellow technophile yesterday and he said RIM is beginning to remind him of Microsoft -- be the first-mover in developing rock-solid software/functionality) -- Windows and Office in the case of MSFT, instant email in the case of RIM -- and spend all of the rest of your time and money trying to protect/defend that technology rather than innovate into new frontiers. Invariably innovative, "web 2.0" competitors have caught up and are slowly beginning to take market share from these entrenched organizations -- Google > Apple are imho going to eat Microsoft AND RIM's lunch in forthcoming years.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out. But alas, I am definitely in the minority here -- y'all all seem to feel this way about the Droid -- "not the droid you are looking for":

YouTube - these aren't the droids you're looking for

[ApacheIndian]

Another one: No Kindle app. All BB has is "old school" options like MobiPocket.

I mean c'mon already...

[NJBlackBerry]

Gotta disagree with you on that. Do you really want to read a book on a tiny screen?
That would be Amazon deal, wouldn't it?

[JSanders]

[ApacheIndian]

Originally Posted by NJBlackBerry

Gotta disagree with you on that. Do you really want to read a book on a tiny screen?
That would be Amazon deal, wouldn't it?

That's your preference and that's fine.

But that's not the point. The point is that that should be the user's choice.

I checked out the Droid yesterday -- very, very slick -- and the fact that I can say that after just 20 minutes of playing with it means something.

Gotta see how it handles Gmail and Google Calendar, and that will take some time and user reviews to determine.

Now that this thread has been moved (all the mods on these forums are decidedly pro-BlackBerry, almost blinded to RIM's deficiencies), I'll go ahead and say it: BlackBerry sucks. It is going downhill fast. Take that to the bank.

[penguin3107]

Originally Posted by ApacheIndian

I'll go ahead and say it: BlackBerry sucks. It is going downhill fast. Take that to the bank.

On that note, I'll go ahead and say it: You're a moron. Take that to wherever morons go.

[jsconyers]

One thing I don't get about ApacheIndian is that his opinions/preferences are the only ones that matter in this thread. The iPhone isn't a good devices because he thinks a device needs a physical keyboard to be superior. He prefers Kindle, but NJBB does not, therefore "BlackBerry sucks" because it doesn't suit his preference. Who cares if it suits the needs of others!

Bottom line is that BlackBerry devices are not for everyone and they're clearly not for ApacheIndian. Since you're drooling over the Droid, go get one. Since BlackBerry sucks so much (you words), why are you waiting? Drop the device that doesn't work for you, the device that "sucks" (again, your words), and get a device that works for you. Otherwise, you're being a troll.

Furthermore, I agree with Penguin's post above.

[JSanders]

Originally Posted by ApacheIndian

Now that this thread has been moved (all the mods on these forums are decidedly pro-BlackBerry, almost blinded to RIM's deficiencies),

Wham, hit me right in the face. I never saw that coming.
As much as I have helped you with issues along the way, I appreciate the compliment and that you recognize that.

Originally Posted by ApacheIndian

I'll go ahead and say it: BlackBerry sucks. It is going downhill fast. Take that to the bank.

Is that a mullet in your profile picture?

There, ya go.

[NJBlackBerry]

OMG - the mods here (I am not a mod here) are pro-BlackBerry?
Film at eleven.

I would like to point out, Mr. Penguin, that you have insulted morons everywhere. Nice job.

Accordingly, I declare Apache an "idiot" which is lower on the scale than a moron.

[jsconyers]

Originally Posted by JSanders

As much as I have helped you with issues along the way, I appreciate the compliment and that you recognize that.

I was going to say something about this as well, but figured you'd get to it. My question to you is; how can you help someone that obviously knows it all?

[NJBlackBerry]

Originally Posted by jsconyers

I was going to say something about this as well, but figured you'd get to it. My question to you is; how can you help someone that obviously knows it all?

I do it every day....

[JSanders]

Here's a sampling of the questions asked by the self-styled "technophile and quite BB-savvy" ApacheIndian:

Where'd my notes icon go?
Notes

Where'd my notes icon go part 2:
Notepad for Blackberry

How can I get my DM from alerting to updates:
Desktop Manager v5.0

Where's the mute button?
Just switched from Curve to Tour -- a couple questions

Phantom calls turned out to be Gmail notifications:
Phantom calls

How to open PDF files:
Finding and opening MS Office/PDF files

Originally Posted by ApacheIndian

You guys on these forums are awesome. Thanks

Originally Posted by ApacheIndian

Bro you are awesome. I totally did not see that File button.

Originally Posted by ApacheIndian

Excellent info. Thanks NJBlackBerry,

On behalf of the entire forum community, you are welcome.

Bye.

[djm2]

My, this was an active day for this thread. I'm surprised that it took so long for the move to Rants.

I suspect that Apache suffers from a terminal condition known as hubris.

[wabbit]

Originally Posted by ApacheIndian

Now that this thread has been moved (all the mods on these forums are decidedly pro-BlackBerry, almost blinded to RIM's deficiencies), I'll go ahead and say it: BlackBerry sucks. It is going downhill fast. Take that to the bank.

you're an idiot. bye tool.