so finally it is on the network.... and...... well im not impressed @ all. the bb mapping software personally i think has always sucked and it is no different here.google maps doesnt seem to work on 4.3(pic of the error is below). as far as i can tell no gps :( the bb maps doesnt say there is anything there. on the 8800 i could do all cool things with the gps. think verzion may have shafted us..BUT it is still to early to say for sure. the vz rep didnt have any ideas about plans or even basic info about this prod. the device can send mms but so far i have been unable to actually complete one. i think that has something to do with my features or maybe i never removed the block, lol. 4.3 has a nice interface as you can see in the pic below. beginning to look like something. as far as to how i got the device, well.. ( i manage a very large account).