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Old 01-19-2008, 06:32 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hey everyone, I ran into a guy that works for a phone company, and he said that the rep for RIM for that company was at his office with the prototype for the new mystery bb! He told me that even though its 3g its slower than gprs since the bb service was optimized for gprs, at least on the internet! Do you think that's true :S! I hope not! That would kind of eliminate the purpose of a 3g blackberry! Does anyone have the 8707 which is 3g, is it faster slower than a normal bb on the internet?

Strange. I hope it goes a lot faster! Because that would be my main reason for the upgrade! Faster online services and such!

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Old 01-19-2008, 06:40 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Sounds like bull!

If thay were true it wouldn't be faster on EDGE.
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Sounds like bull!

If thay were true it wouldn't be faster on EDGE.
That's what I said, but I said that it could be that they're still working out all the kinks and still working on it! That's the most likely reason. Also, I would think that the bis was having maybe a hard day or a momentary laps. But I don't it was slower, but I do doubt that it will be slower when they finally do release it! Cuz that wouldn't make sense to me.
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The 3G has more to do with network towers,chipset and device processor.
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Old 01-19-2008, 08:26 AM   #5 (permalink)
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The 3G has more to do with network towers, chipset and device processor.
Exactly. Just having 3G doesn't necessarily make the device faster. If the device does't have the processing power, you won't see much of an improvement over 2G.
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Old 01-19-2008, 11:25 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Hey everyone, I ran into a guy that works for a phone company, and he said that the rep for RIM for that company was at his office with the prototype for the new mystery bb! He told me that even though its 3g its slower than gprs since the bb service was optimized for gprs, at least on the internet! Do you think that's true :S! I hope not! That would kind of eliminate the purpose of a 3g blackberry! Does anyone have the 8707 which is 3g, is it faster slower than a normal bb on the internet?

Strange. I hope it goes a lot faster! Because that would be my main reason for the upgrade! Faster online services and such!

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That sounds like absolute BS. With older blackberries the processor limited browsing speed more then the speed of the data connection. The rumored 'next BB' has a faster processor to support its faster data speed.
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When RIM releases the first 3G BB, you can assume they will get it right. I have owned several smartphones that have had Wifi and they have all been TERRIBLE battery hogs. I have always kept the wifi off, except when needed, and that pretty much limited the usefulness of Wifi. So I was skeptical getting my 8820 (I have had an 8700 and 7130 as well). RIM got the Wifi battery usage right. I notice no battery life difference, wifi on or off. And it works flawlessly. It connects seemlessly to known wifi hotspots and moves the BES connection over to the Wifi network. Someone finally got wifi right.

I think that RIM will do the same with a 3G berry. My guess is, they will not release a 3G berry until it meets their standards for battery life and for speed. Perhaps that is the reason we have not seen a 3G BB yet.

Goodwill is hard to establish and easy to lose. RIM knows what they are doing.
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Sounds like bull!

If thay were true it wouldn't be faster on EDGE.
Or on EV-DO with Verizon or Sprint!

Keep in mind that there already ARE 3G BlackBerries on the market, and there have been for a couple YEARS! But they're only made for CDMA right now. I have no idea why RIM still hasn't released a GSM 3G BlackBerry in the US yet. I mean, sure, T-Mobile's 3G network still hasn't launched, but Cingular/The New at&t has had their HSDPA/UMTS network up & running for a couple years now, and still no 3G BBs for them yet.

At any rate, I tried the Verizon BlackBerry 8703e in a store when it first came out. The phone was getting an EV-DO signal, so I tried out the web browser. Man, talk about FAST! It's even faster than my 8700g on EDGE! It was completely loading websites with an average amount of text and graphics in about 2 seconds! And that was almost a year and a half ago!
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Exactly. Just having 3G doesn't necessarily make the device faster. If the device does't have the processing power, you won't see much of an improvement over 2G.
True, you wouldn't notice much of an improvement on the BlackBerry itself. Where you'd really notice the improvement in speed the most is when you're using your BB as a TETHERED MODEM! And there ARE those of us that do that!
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That sounds like absolute BS. With older blackberries the processor limited browsing speed more then the speed of the data connection. The rumored 'next BB' has a faster processor to support its faster data speed.
That would be sweet, because there are times when the BB is the only internet connection I have available! If I can get the same 2-3 second web page load time as the EV-DO BlackBerries, instead of what may be more like 10-15 seconds now on EDGE, I'll be happy!
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Old 01-26-2008, 11:27 AM   #9 (permalink)
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not to mention if the rep from RIM did have this deviceout in the field, and was bashing it, and his boss found out, he is looking for a new job.
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not to mention if the rep from RIM did have this deviceout in the field, and was bashing it, and his boss found out, he is looking for a new job.
I totally agree. I honestly think he was just trying to be cool and say that he was playing with it, when in reality he probably has no clue even what it looks like.
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I think it's not a 3g phone that's slow, is the blackberry portal.

I am not sure if blackberry's website is on the same portal as blackberry service, but when have you download something from blackberry website that passed 40kb/s? Also, I use a 8700 on o2 with EDGE, whenever I use O2 active (O2 portal) is super fast (although I have to pay for this connection), but everytime I use blackberry browser to download anything, it's not much difference than GPRS, which max out around 40k, so I think RIM need to get their network connection portal sorted out properly.
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Old 01-30-2008, 07:45 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Maybe that is a uk thing, I can download at a good rate from RIM's servers.
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The 3G blackberries are slower than the 2G ones.

If you've ever REALLY used a BB8703e, you want to stick a knife in your throat.

The Baseband shares the same slow 297MHz processor with the OS, so whenever CDMA starts crying for more processor attention the OS lags more and more.

Trying to render web pages of any remote complexity on the 8703e is a nightmare and a half, the 8700g totally wins out over the 8703e because it has a 312MHz DEDICATED processor and the baseband is controlled by it's own.

Also, the BB service is definitely totally optimized for slower data networks like GPRS and EDGE. EDGE just boosts the speed because the data rates aren't that much faster than GPRS and it's still very slow and latent so the BB network lag isn't as prevalent.

For a nice comparison of true 3G and how the BB network slows a device down, try the BB 8320 Curve on Tmo while on WiFi. BB network datagrams are designed to be so tiny, it's way inefficient on a fast network such as WCDMA, EV-DO or WiFi.
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I'm sure they will have a new processor.
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