I currently have a 8830 WE and one of the big drawbacks for me is no support for simultaneous data and voice. Will the Niagara on Verizon Wireless support simultaneous data and voice? Is there a reason the 8830 doesn't support this currently? I thought 3G devices were specifically able to do this.

Yes, I believe the 8900, 9000 and Storm (in some cases) will handle this.

The 8830 is not on a true 3G (3G is just a generic term for 'higher' or faster bandwidth).

Well it's EVDO, and I thought EVDO had that capability - maybe that's too generic? EVDO Rev A is the technology that brings that capability?

Scratch the 8900, it not a "true" 3G, that's what we are getting the 9630 I beleive.

ah, true Steve086, that is correct.

Correct me if I'm wrong but the "3g" Storm is EVDO RevA (Vzn) and I don't think that it can do simultaneous voice/data like the true 3g Bold (att) can. Am I wrong here?

As I understand it the only way to do voice and data at the same time is to have 2 seperate radio's ie a 3g radio and a GSM radio.
3g does the data, GSM does the data.
Not sure about the US CDMA stuff though?

EVDO (Rev anything) does not allow for simultaneous voice & data. It is just not possible. When in a data session, it will be suspended until the call is finished.

Damn, this is enough of a reason to get me to switch to AT&T - there are some good Applications coming out that make meetings on the go much better.

Cool, but I'm not spending 2k on a phone that can be shut off :(

I wonder if Kevin from CB.com got that one to, like he did his Bold LOL.

I am a bit upset that us CDMA users can not do simultaneous data/voice.. Darn.

I will wait until its affordable

Haha yea 2k is a bit out of my budget for a phone LOL.

I can send emails and have a voicecall at same time, but only when i have an active wifi connection, which makes sence.

Yes, and with VZW blocking WiFi, it hurts just a little bit more. However, I'm particularly looking at the WebEx iPhone application. You know they're going to have to release that for the Blackberry as well. When they do, it looks like CDMA users will be left in the dark.

I've been using it on my iTouch (with WiFi only of course) and it's the first time I've actually wanted an iPhone - it's a killer app for my business.

Cisco WebEx on the iPhone
Cisco WebEx Press Release for Future Development

I did some Googling and found the link above from Cisco, announcing the application for the Storm - any idea how they're going to do voice and data on the Storm? Maybe there's hope yet for CDMA users!

There is some misinformation in this thread and I wanted to clear it up.

EVDO REV. 0 and REV. A are both considered 3g wireless technologies. EVDO REV. 0 cannot support voice and data simultaneously because of it's low upstream capabilities and latency, this is why they have REV. A.

REV A. can support VOIP and thus do data and voice at the same time (Sprint kind of already is with QCHAT). This is something that Verizon or Sprint has to allow though as it will put significant more traffic on their EVDO networks.

The only CDMA Blackberry device even capable of doing voice and data at the same time currently is the Blackberry Storm. Rumor has it that Sprint and Verizon will both be supporting voice and data at the same time as they continue to beef up their REV A. coverage and networks.

Actually a device like the 8900 can also do voice and data simultaneously, it requires the carrier to support a feature called DTM, TIM or vodafone in italy support the feature, but there are few others that do.

Rev. A. Will upgrade to Rev B. LTE will begin rolling out late '09. LTE is on 700MHz making it possible for both voice and data at the same time without using VoIP. However VoIP is the future of all networks GSM/CDMA and WiMax.

Don't we have to wait for all the analog tv signals to be shut off first?

I beleive that works as 700 MHz..

Of couse that keeps gettings delayed lol.

Correct, and since VZ and everyone is conducting Trials, they can't plan to go full scale or begin using the airwaves till June when they will finally shut that spectrum off.

once that's done, and when VZ goes live sometime in 2010/2011 then we'll be rolling in 4G goodness, which should definitely offer simultaneous voice/data!

anyways, its as usual, always a waiting game.. -.-

O yea definitly a waiting game..

Plus I'm sure it will take a while for RIM to get a 4G BlackBerry out there.....

My research showed the same. It has to be VOIP voice streams. I have not heard of this being enabled at this time.

Too many choices.

More accurately, Rev. A is 3.5G, akin to HSPA on the GSM side of the house.

Mark there is no current plans for Rev B. It will be Rev A and then LTE but the devices are going to be the hold up for LTE.

Qualcomm Chipset Supports Simultaneous Voice and Data Usage

*Qualcomm has introduced the industry’s first chipset solution for Smartphones supporting CDMA2000 1xEV-DO Rev. B and Simultaneous Voice-Data Operation (SV-DO), as well as multi-carrier HSPA+ and LTE. The MSM8960 chipset is scheduled to sample in mid-2010.

“Multi-mode 3G/LTE chipsets will be crucial to smooth deployments of LTE by operators who are looking to complement their existing 3G networks, and the MSM8960 delivers maximum flexibility by supporting EV-DO Rev. B and HSPA+ in addition to LTE,” said Steve Mollenkopf, executive vice president of Qualcomm and president of Qualcomm CDMA Technologies. “The MSM8960 raises the bar for LTE solutions by not only offering support for all leading mobile broadband standards, but also integrating exceptional multimedia performance. This allows device manufacturers to leverage their existing HSPA+ device designs for significant economies of scale.”

The MSM8960 features radio frequency, software and pin-compatibility with the MSM8260 and MSM8660 chipsets for HSPA+ and HSPA+/EV-DO Rev. B, allowing device manufacturers to benefit from the economies of scale and existing investments into designs based on those two solutions. The MSM8960 chipset also supports LTE-TDD.

The MSM8960 is compatible with the QTR8610 transceiver, which integrates support for all worldwide CDMA2000 and UMTS radio frequency bands and eliminates the need for standalone GPS, Bluetooth, FM radio chips and codecs. The QTR8610 is scheduled to sample in the fourth quarter of 2009.

Posted to the site on 16th February 2009

Posted to: www.cellular-news.com/story/36053.php

That would definitely be a huge improvement.