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Old 05-22-2009, 12:56 AM   #21 (permalink)
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So, how smart does that make the Apple boys for signing on to only one network?

Hmm... RIM wins again.
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Old 05-22-2009, 03:43 AM   #22 (permalink)
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I'm not so interested in a touch screen phone. :(
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I'm not so interested in a touch screen phone. :(
There is the real reason why more blackberries are sold not what networks the various phones are on, rim offer a wider range of form factors and don't just assume their customers would all be happy with only one option.
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Hmm... RIM wins again.
For now.
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If the iPhone ever makes it to Verizon I'm convinced it would be a HUGE success.

Granted I would probably still key a full keyboard BB over an iPhone because I can't stand typing on a touchscreen but I'm sure people would be lining up to dump their old phone for an iPhone.
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I may switch to verizon for this
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I may switch to verizon for this
You may want to wait for the reviews before you do.
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Old 05-26-2009, 03:17 PM   #28 (permalink)
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You may want to wait for the reviews before you do.
Nah, just do it willy-nilly with no reviews or anything, just like any Apple fanboi would for the next iPhone iteration.
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Nah, just do it willy-nilly with no reviews or anything, just like any Apple fanboi would for the next iPhone iteration.
Are you kidding? I would never buy any device, from any company without reading the reviews of it. I've owed all kinds of devices and I always look before I leap. If the new iphone is crap, I won't get it, trust me. I am loyal to no company, I buy what works best for me at that time. If RIM wants me back, they need seamless Mac support and Exchange support without the costly BES.

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I just switched from an 8900 to the Storm on Tmobile preparing for the worst with all the negative reviews on the click screen. I have to say that I actually LOVE it...you can move around the screen without selecting anything then when you have highlighted what you want, click.

I've had numerous speed typing contest with curve and bold users and I have been able to keep up with, if not beat most in speed tests. These were seasoned blackberry users of all ages.

In fact, now that I have my Storm, I don't even use my iTouch anymore to surf the web. I'm going to miss the surepress screen. Wish I would've switched sooner instead of just last week...
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Old 05-27-2009, 05:36 AM   #31 (permalink)
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I've had numerous speed typing contest with curve and bold users and I have been able to keep up with, if not beat most in speed tests. These were seasoned blackberry users of all ages.
Seasoned they might be, but fast they clearly aren't.
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Maybe because the iphone is only offered on one network and the BB is available on all the networks. If the iphone was available for all, I think the numbers would be a little different. Many people are very happy with their network and changing just for a certain device isn't an option.
That's exactly right...where I live, Verizon, is simply the best network. Being in Pittsburgh area AT&T has coverage all over, but it continually drops calls - when I talk to my brother, he always has to call back - where I worked, my boss always had to call back to the office...the calls would just drop. My brother would always say, "I might lose you here," because he was used to it. If Verizon sold the iPhone I probably would have gotten one...mostly for the big screen...so I was excited about RIM producing a touch phone. My NE2 is up in July and I was ready to get a Storm, but now I will wait for the Storm2...I just will not switch to AT&T.
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It was interesting in that article that said in Q1 Apple doubled its marketshare in smartphones to 10%. That's a pretty big jump but a pretty small %. I also believe their statement that touchscreen is all the buzz in smartphones. People want to use that feature even if it doesn't do much funtionally or even if it's actually harder to type on. The iPhone fans continually swear up and down they can type so very fast and yet the #1 reason for ditching it is the typing thing. To me "touchscreen" is a lot like "3G" these days. A lot of hype but maybe not all it's cracked up to be for the end user.
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Touch screen or large screen is certainly no hype.

When it comes to productivity and business, activity that leads to such can be broken into two basic categories. Communication and messaging is one category. The second category is information gathering and presentation.

Blackberries excel in messaging. But where the iPhone truly excels is information gathering and presentation. This is where a large display comes in with superior navigation and access control comes to play, things that the iPhone tends to excel.

The iPhone is certainly trying to improve the messaging part of the equation. But Blackberry needs to improve their part of the productivity equation on information gathering and presentation. That's where the Storm and future larger screen Blackberries have to come in.
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Touch screen or large screen is certainly no hype.

When it comes to productivity and business, activity that leads to such can be broken into two basic categories. Communication and messaging is one category. The second category is information gathering and presentation.

Blackberries excel in messaging. But where the iPhone truly excels is information gathering and presentation. This is where a large display comes in with superior navigation and access control comes to play, things that the iPhone tends to excel.

The iPhone is certainly trying to improve the messaging part of the equation. But Blackberry needs to improve their part of the productivity equation on information gathering and presentation. That's where the Storm and future larger screen Blackberries have to come in.
If the BB excels in messaging, then why do you need to purchase the expensive BES to get the same MS Exchange experience you get with the iphone out of the box. That BB is the best at messaging is wearing thin and is less and less true every day. RIM needs something more then this same mantra if it hope to stay on top.
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wish this thread had a lot more storm 2 info and a lot less unrelated chatter!

I think the storm 2 without a click screen has the potential to be pretty nice as long as it isn't doesn't lag down like the storms 1's do (as a matter of fact, like every other blackberry i've owned does)
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I think the storm 2 without a click screen has the potential to be pretty nice as long as it isn't doesn't lag down like the storms 1's do (as a matter of fact, like every other blackberry i've owned does)
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In my opinion, the storm 2 can't really be that much better than the original without a MASSIVE OS upgrade.

Os 5.0 doesn't seem like its going to cut it. Namely, they need to trash their horrible browser and advance their webkit based browser. Stop wasting development time on the super cr@ppy current browser. One of the main reasons I would want a big touchscreen is to be able to surf super proficiently like on the iPhone.

Secondly, they need to design an OS that is designed for a touchscreen from ground up. The OS's that have been released recently are in my opinion antiquated compared to anything the competition has out: android, webos, iphone os. They are just tweaks and add-ons to an already outdated OS. If they keep this up I can see them having a similar issue to Palm before they gave up on Garnet and all their old junk to restart with Webos.

Sure the blackberry is the king of business email, and I will most likely stick with BB for that, but without a massive overhaul to their OS, they will never have a touchscreen device that can rival palm, apple, google.
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In my opinion, the storm 2 can't really be that much better than the original without a MASSIVE OS upgrade.

Os 5.0 doesn't seem like its going to cut it. Namely, they need to trash their horrible browser and advance their webkit based browser. Stop wasting development time on the super cr@ppy current browser. One of the main reasons I would want a big touchscreen is to be able to surf super proficiently like on the iPhone.

Secondly, they need to design an OS that is designed for a touchscreen from ground up. The OS's that have been released recently are in my opinion antiquated compared to anything the competition has out: android, webos, iphone os. They are just tweaks and add-ons to an already outdated OS. If they keep this up I can see them having a similar issue to Palm before they gave up on Garnet and all their old junk to restart with Webos.

Sure the blackberry is the king of business email, and I will most likely stick with BB for that, but without a massive overhaul to their OS, they will never have a touchscreen device that can rival palm, apple, google.
I couldn't agree with you more! IMO, your points are well taken--the OS is a piece of dung. I sure loved the screen and the SurePress keyboard though...and the call quality and speaker volume. Navigating the Storm is awful though. oh, and I loved the customization of tones, font sizes, etc. So much potential, but not fully realized. What I wouldn't give to sit down with RIM and explain to them what's wrong with the interface (and have them implement some changes I'd suggest).

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In my opinion, the storm 2 can't really be that much better than the original without a MASSIVE OS upgrade.

Os 5.0 doesn't seem like its going to cut it. Namely, they need to trash their horrible browser and advance their webkit based browser. Stop wasting development time on the super cr@ppy current browser. One of the main reasons I would want a big touchscreen is to be able to surf super proficiently like on the iPhone.

Secondly, they need to design an OS that is designed for a touchscreen from ground up. The OS's that have been released recently are in my opinion antiquated compared to anything the competition has out: android, webos, iphone os. They are just tweaks and add-ons to an already outdated OS. If they keep this up I can see them having a similar issue to Palm before they gave up on Garnet and all their old junk to restart with Webos.

Sure the blackberry is the king of business email, and I will most likely stick with BB for that, but without a massive overhaul to their OS, they will never have a touchscreen device that can rival palm, apple, google.
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