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MHPHOCKEY · 09-16-2006, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Hanwei

Hey Mike,

Let me run something by you... you said "no tricking the system"... Here are my thoughts...

Usually... when you buy a new phone with a new contract... but cancel the contract within the 15 day trial period and return the phone... there are no costs except for the usage during those days that you had the service.

And during that return, if you decide you want to keep the phone (hardware) then VZW simply charges you the full retail value of the phone and you can keep it.

Now... my dilemma is this: I can only upgrade to the BB by paying full retail... but the only way I can get the BB in my hands by Tuesday is to order it online on Sunday with a plan...Can I simply cancel the plan at a store after receiving the phone on Tuesday... and tell them I'm keeping the phone? ...which will prompt them to say that they will have to charge me the full retail price of the phone... which I will gladly say "great!"?

This isn't technically tricking the system... since I "could" be a new customer purchasing a new BB with a new plan... and after having received the BB decided that I no longer wanted the plan... cancelled the plan.... and decided to keep the BB by paying full retail...

What do you say? This seems to be the only way to get the BB without waiting until October :( Unless CS is able to take orders over the phone on Sunday... which it sounds like they won't.

Hanwei

Do you not want a plan with the phone? I am kind of confused.

InPocket · 09-16-2006, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by MHPHOCKEY

Do you not want a plan with the phone? I am kind of confused.

im assuming he has a plan, but cant upgrade

he hassumi (sp?) see if you qualify for the merits program.. you can get an early upgrade with it and its free (the program)

Hanwei · 09-16-2006, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by InPocket

Im not sure, but logistically speaking that seems plausible

Well... if Step #1 doesn't work... I'm doing Step #2... and if they can't charge me at the store... I'll just tell them that I'm keeping the BB... and they can charge me when they are able to! ha!

MHPHOCKEY · 09-16-2006, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by InPocket

ill just say "windows mobile. credit now."

they are closed now, but whats the benefit of a "business account"..? I own a small business..but I currently have no emplyees.. just me and a partner.. and I got my business phones through sprint (Sero plan...awsome stuff)

The business account has (to my knowledge) no line minimum. You have to register under the Federal Tax ID (versus a personal account under a social). Once you do that and sign the Small Business agreement, then you can receive discounted plans and phones, along with 25% off accessories. It was really easy to switch today and there was no downside for my business of 12 numbers. They will especially hook you up if your swap service!

MHPHOCKEY · 09-16-2006, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Hanwei

Well... if Step #1 doesn't work... I'm doing Step #2... and if they can't charge me at the store... I'll just tell them that I'm keeping the BB... and they can charge me when they are able to! ha!

I think when you agree to the 2 yr contract/15 day trial there is some fine print about the phone and the retail price and etc

InPocket · 09-16-2006, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Hanwei

Well... if Step #1 doesn't work... I'm doing Step #2... and if they can't charge me at the store... I'll just tell them that I'm keeping the BB... and they can charge me when they are able to! ha!

you know what, your goddamn right. Any expense for a working business tool is absolutly worth it. I would pay just about any cost to get away from this piece of shit XV6700.

Im with you on this! 1 or 2 here I come!

MHPHOCKEY · 09-16-2006, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by InPocket

you know what, your goddamn right. Any expense for a working business tool is absolutly worth it. I would pay just about any cost to get away from this piece of shit XV6700.

Im with you on this! 1 or 2 here I come!

I assume you are on VZW already. My suggestion is to call tech support and tell them that you are fed up with your LG and that you NEED the 8703...They will help you arrange the upgrade, but you should be on a business account if you have a tax id. if you are on a business account it is real easy to talk a rep into an upgrade.

Hanwei · 09-16-2006, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by MHPHOCKEY

Do you not want a plan with the phone? I am kind of confused.

hehe...InPocket's correct... I already have a plan (Q) and don't have an early upgrade option right now. I just want to pay full retail for the BB and swap phones. (throw away my Q).

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Originally Posted by InPocket

he hassumi (sp?) see if you qualify for the merits program.. you can get an early upgrade with it and its free (the program)

You talkin to me? hehe... How do I see if I qualify? Is there a link I have to go to?

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Originally Posted by MHPHOCKEY

I think when you agree to the 2 yr contract/15 day trial there is some fine print about the phone and the retail price and etc

Do you mean that the fine print may say that I can't cancel the plan and keep the phone?

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Originally Posted by InPocket

you know what, your goddamn right. Any expense for a working business tool is absolutly worth it. I would pay just about any cost to get away from this piece of shit XV6700.

Im with you on this! 1 or 2 here I come!

I'm using the Q and I can't wait to throw it out the window.

InPocket · 09-16-2006, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by MHPHOCKEY

I assume you are on VZW already. My suggestion is to call tech support and tell them that you are fed up with your LG and that you NEED the 8703...They will help you arrange the upgrade, but you should be on a business account if you have a tax id. if you are on a business account it is real easy to talk a rep into an upgrade.

i do have a tax id, but is there any benefit of a business "program" orr any requirements?? google time..

MHPHOCKEY · 09-16-2006, 01:45 AM

H:

Ok, yes throw away the Q it is an amazing design, but it is crap on function. READ THE FINE PRINT before you try and mess with Verizon. There should be a way to get them to take back/cancel the Q and allow you to get the 8703 because you are miserable...it is just a matter of getting the right person on the phone and saying the right things.

Inpocket:

The business program is the same, but it give verizon a bit more security, knowing you wont transfer, and most importantly the hope of expansion. therefore, they give discounts on accessories, phones, and rate plans.

itsj · 02:05 AM

apparently i have had the capability to upgrade my phone on one of my lines since 2004 and never new about it. thats what i'll be using unless, i have a better corp. discount

MHPHOCKEY · 09-16-2006, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by itsj

apparently i have had the capability to upgrade my phone on one of my line since 2004 and never new about it. thats what i'll be using unless, i have a better corp. discount

Then besides a great NFL Sunday (not to mention the NCAA games tomorrow) you will have a good day with your phone!

InPocket · 09-16-2006, 01:50 AM

ok.

so switch to a business program. check - thanks
https://merits.vzw.com/registration.aspx try this

Hanwei · 09-16-2006, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by MHPHOCKEY

H:

Ok, yes throw away the Q it is an amazing design, but it is crap on function. READ THE FINE PRINT before you try and mess with Verizon. There should be a way to get them to take back/cancel the Q and allow you to get the 8703 because you are miserable...it is just a matter of getting the right person on the phone and saying the right things.

So you're saying I should try Step 1... try to get them to simply take my Q back in exchange for a BB... hehe... That's a good idea.

If that doesn't work... I'll see if they will simply order one for me full retail... and if that doesn't work... I'm on to Step 2.

now to do a little research on the fine print!

Hanwei · 09-16-2006, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by InPocket

ok.

so switch to a business program. check - thanks
https://merits.vzw.com/registration.aspx try this

Crap. Didn't work. Not eligible. How do I become eligible?

MHPHOCKEY · 09-16-2006, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Hanwei

So you're saying I should try Step 1... try to get them to simply take my Q back in exchange for a BB... hehe... That's a good idea.

If that doesn't work... I'll see if they will simply order one for me full retail... and if that doesn't work... I'm on to Step 2.

now to do a little research on the fine print!

Honestly, there have been so many issues with the Q that if you are stubborn enough then they should allow you to at least pay for a new 8703e early. I would be shocked if they didnt. VZW is actually very good with customers needs and problems

InPocket · 09-16-2006, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Hanwei

now to do a little research on the fine print!

but here is the fine print

YOUR CALLING PLANS BECOME PART OF THIS AGREEMENT. The prices you pay may depend in part on how long-the minimum term-you're agreeing in advance to do business with us. Calling plans describe these prices and your minimum term. To the extent any condition in your calling plan expressly conflicts with this agreement, the condition in your calling plan will govern. If at any time you change your service (by accepting a promotion, for example), you'll be subject to any requirements, such as a new minimum term, we set for that change.

Eligibilty for merits

Q. How was I chosen to participate in the Merits Program?
A.The Merits program is our way of thanking our most valued customers. To qualify, you need to:

- Have 5 lines or less on your account
- Have been a customer for 6 months without suspensions
- Have been on one of the following Calling Plans for 3 consecutive months:
- a Single-line Calling Plan with a monthly access of $79.99 or higher

-or-
- a primary line on a Family SharePlan®, with monthly access of $79.99 or above

MHPHOCKEY · 09-16-2006, 01:57 AM

fine print blows

InPocket · 09-16-2006, 02:01 AM

2am, sleep time, too many posts. adios.

good luck everyone.

Hanwei · 09-16-2006, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by InPocket

but here is the fine print

YOUR CALLING PLANS BECOME PART OF THIS AGREEMENT. The prices you pay may depend in part on how long-the minimum term-you're agreeing in advance to do business with us. Calling plans describe these prices and your minimum term. To the extent any condition in your calling plan expressly conflicts with this agreement, the condition in your calling plan will govern. If at any time you change your service (by accepting a promotion, for example), you'll be subject to any requirements, such as a new minimum term, we set for that change.

This is what I found for Fine Print:

Your Rights To Refuse Or Cancel This Agreement

THIS AGREEMENT STARTS WHEN YOU ACCEPT .
· Give us a written or electronic signature;
· Tell us orally or electronically that you accept;
· Activate your service through your wireless phone;
· Open a package that says you are accepting by opening it; or
· Use your service after making any change or addition when we've told you that the change or addition requires acceptance.

IF YOU DON'T WANT TO ACCEPT, DON'T DO ANY OF THESE THINGS. You can cancel (if you're a new customer) or go back to the conditions of your former customer agreement (if you're already a customer) without additional fees if you tell us (and return to us in good condition any wireless phone you got from us with your new service) WITHIN 15 DAYS of accepting. You'll still be responsible through that date for the new service and any charges associated with it.

What does that mean?! it says in order to cancel the plan within the 15 days I have to return the phone as well. But in my almost 10 years with VZW I've always had CS tell me that they would simply charge me full retail if I wanted to keep the hardware... hmm... I'm going to go with my experience and do Step 2 if Step 1 doesn't work.

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Originally Posted by InPocket

Eligibilty for merits

Q. How was I chosen to participate in the Merits Program?
A.The Merits program is our way of thanking our most valued customers. To qualify, you need to:

- Have 5 lines or less on your account
- Have been a customer for 6 months without suspensions
- Have been on one of the following Calling Plans for 3 consecutive months:
- a Single-line Calling Plan with a monthly access of $79.99 or higher

-or-
- a primary line on a Family SharePlan®, with monthly access of $79.99 or above

Ah... okay. I have the $39/month calling plan. Oh well.

Hanwei · 09-16-2006, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by MHPHOCKEY

Honestly, there have been so many issues with the Q that if you are stubborn enough then they should allow you to at least pay for a new 8703e early. I would be shocked if they didnt. VZW is actually very good with customers needs and problems

Oh I'm going to try... don't worry

Stubborn is something I'm good at

itsj · 09-16-2006, 02:18 AM

i have the merits program, what does it allow you to do? i always thought it was a trick by verizon for me to buy there overpriced accessories

MHPHOCKEY · 09-16-2006, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by itsj

i have the merits program, what does it allow you to do? i always thought it was a trick by verizon for me to buy there overpriced accessories

Thats what it is! But at a discount, so they are normally priced.

r1man1963 · 09-16-2006, 07:12 AM

I just switched over to a corp account last week, is there any benefit to being in the Merits program or can a Corp Account even do that ?

InPocket · 09-16-2006, 08:35 AM

MHPHOCKEY was right on the money: dont expect to get an early upgrade on sunday. Bottom line, Customer Service cant do shit for you as they have the same abiliies at the store.

I was advised that it should be a week after the online debut before stores get it, or...

If i buy online, then cancel the plan, the rest of the phone (as retail) is charged to my account.

Buy it Sunday at 469 + tax or,
Wait a little bit and pay 259 +tax

Is your patience worth $200???

InPocket · 09-16-2006, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by r1man1963

I just switched over to a corp account last week, is there any benefit to being in the Merits program or can a Corp Account even do that ?

What did you originally have (plan)? What did you get for switching?

lskolnik · 09-16-2006, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Hanwei

hehe...InPocket's correct... I already have a plan (Q) and don't have an early upgrade option right now. I just want to pay full retail for the BB and swap phones. (throw away my Q).

That'll be 2 Q's in the dumpster come Tuesday!!! NOTHING comes close to the Blackberry.

illmaticone · 09-16-2006, 08:40 AM

i have a motorola q, and i hate the damn thing.

what would be some steps to getting some credit? i tried already with CS and Data support. both declined my request.

any secret i dont know?

whsbuss · **OS:** 4.6.0.297

Question:

For those who have ordered phones from Verizon, does delivery require signature? I may not be at home to receive the package next week until after 6 PM each day. Is it FedEx or UPS?

InPocket · 09-16-2006, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by illmaticone

i have a motorola q, and i hate the damn thing.

what would be some steps to getting some credit? i tried already with CS and Data support. both declined my request.

any secret i dont know?

yea i tried as well. nada.

InPocket · 09-16-2006, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by whsbuss

Question:

For those who have ordered phones from Verizon, does delivery require signature? I may not be at home to receive the package next week until after 6 PM each day. Is it FedEx or UPS?

yea, go to fedex and get a door hanger then sign it. they will leave the package

illmaticone · 09-16-2006, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by whsbuss

Question:

For those who have ordered phones from Verizon, does delivery require signature? I may not be at home to receive the package next week until after 6 PM each day. Is it FedEx or UPS?

before the package is out for delievery you can prolly call fedex and request to pick it up instead of them attemping to deliever it (if u kno for sure u wont be there) and pick it up after work. if they try to attempt deliver and fail, they will leave a door hanger and u can call them and pick it up the same day.

whsbuss · **OS:** 4.6.0.297

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Originally Posted by illmaticone

before the package is out for delievery you can prolly call fedex and request to pick it up instead of them attemping to deliever it (if u kno for sure u wont be there) and pick it up after work. if they try to attempt deliver and fail, they will leave a door hanger and u can call them and pick it up the same day.

Hmmm.... that won't work for me. Guess I have to schedule being home delivery day.

InPocket · 09-16-2006, 09:17 AM

whsbuss... is it fair to say that stores will have it by the 23rd?

whsbuss · **OS:** 4.6.0.297

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Originally Posted by InPocket

whsbuss... is it fair to say that stores will have it by the 23rd?

Possible, but most likely early October. The only clue is what I reported before that the FCC docs show 10/7/06 release. My source did not give a retail stores release date. It may depend on how many units are shipped from RIM and warehouse inventories.

InPocket · 09:38 AM

looks like full retail for me.. i need this now... i guess I also have 15 days that if it comes out in stores I can return it and repurchase with the discoumt