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Wade DeHart 09-05-2007 12:59 PM

3G Blackberries from AT&T?
 
when is AT&T coming out with a Blackberry that runs at 3G speed? spoken to many there who are all clueless !!

WonkotheSane 09-05-2007 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wade DeHart (Post 656589)
when is AT&T coming out with a Blackberry that runs at 3G speed? spoken to many there who are all clueless !!

The last batch of rumors has the 9xxx coming out Q4. OTOH, there hasn't been anything leaked about it for a long time.

BlackBerry 8800 xxx038; 9xxx Series | The Boy Genius Report

BryanHarig 09-05-2007 05:21 PM

at this point I think the 99xx coming out in q4 is unlikely. Id guess 1Q08 is more likely.

test54 09-05-2007 06:09 PM

Id say 3Q08 is a maybe. they havent rolled out their pearl2 or the full compliment of the 88xx and 83xx. maybe 2Q08 since their going to be falling behind in tech very fast. dont want to end up in the situation palm is in right now.

cdd543 09-05-2007 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by test54 (Post 657033)
Id say 3Q08 is a maybe. they havent rolled out their pearl2 or the full compliment of the 88xx and 83xx. maybe 2Q08 since their going to be falling behind in tech very fast. dont want to end up in the situation palm is in right now.

Yes I agree they need to get moving. I have my eye on the tytn ii with gps/ 3mp, 3g/ wifi, etc. I am using an e61i and have blackberry connect running and I don't miss my curve very much at all since my mail comes through just as well. I would like to see a 3g bberry sooner than later.

Anthem 09-05-2007 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wade DeHart (Post 656589)
when is AT&T coming out with a Blackberry that runs at 3G speed? spoken to many there who are all clueless !!

I am only passing on what I was told so please don't kill the messenger. A rep at one of the at&t stores informed me he went to a training session recently and was told that all newer blackberries have the capability of 3G they just need an os update.I don't really believe it but I thought I would post anyway.

penguin3107 09-05-2007 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthem (Post 657066)
I am only passing on what I was told so please don't kill the messenger. A rep at one of the at&t stores informed me he went to a training session recently and was told that all newer blackberries have the capability of 3G they just need an os update.I don't really believe it but I thought I would post anyway.

The rep you heard that from is mistaken.
None of the AT&T Blackberry Devices have a 3G radio in them.
It's not possible to add hardware to a device via OS update.

beninark 09-05-2007 10:46 PM

mmm...I thought rim was trying to jump into the consumer market...but the stuff they are releasing now really isnt a huge improvement over what they had. I really like the 8100 but I dont know...it just seems like they are content with the status quo instead of actually surging forward. I dont know...i could be out of the ball park but it seems like they are on a sinking ship...i just hope they jump on another boat soon.

MooseBerry 09-05-2007 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beninark (Post 657320)
mmm...I thought rim was trying to jump into the consumer market...but the stuff they are releasing now really isn't a huge improvement over what they had. I really like the 8100 but I don't know...it just seems like they are content with the status quo instead of actually surging forward. I don't know...i could be out of the ball park but it seems like they are on a sinking ship...i just hope they jump on another boat soon.

I don't think RIM is on a sinking ship, in fact I think there's been big strides in a short time. I like that updated devices are coming out and that we don't have to wait for a new product line to get new features, I just hope RIM's not holding stuff back just so in six months they can release the XX20.

I would love to see 3G, 3mp camera, wi-fi, GPS BlackBerries in the Pearl and Curve models for consumers (in fact I think that's were RIM needs to go, soon) and business models without the camera.

That's just my opinion...

Dubdub 09-06-2007 06:51 AM

I really don't think 3G will live up to the hype and what everyone expects. Realistically, the only advantage I see is that it will be a bit faster if you tether.

Email will be pushed as it always gets push. Speed won't make a noticeable difference.

You might be able to detect a little faster browsing, but I doubt if it will be much, since most websites are not optimized for mobile devices and the handhelds just don't have enough horsepower (processor and memory) and screen real estate to make it speedy.

One thing I think we will all see is that battery life will decrease, just as we are seeing now with the WiFi devices.

I hope it will prove me wrong though.

Dark Knight 09-06-2007 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dubdub (Post 657491)
I really don't think 3G will live up to the hype and what everyone expects. Realistically, the only advantage I see is that it will be a bit faster if you tether.

While HSDPA/UMTS (3G) wouldn't do much for speeding up email it will help with improved video streaming (ie: video conference calls, watching tv), file transfers and as you pointed out tethering the device to a laptop for internet access. If RIM does release a 3G GSM Blackberry then I hope they are intelligent enough to provide it with a front video call camera similar to the HTC TYTN, Samsung Croix, Nokia N95, LG KU990, etc.

Dubdub 09-06-2007 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Knight (Post 658352)
While HSDPA/UMTS (3G) wouldn't do much for speeding up email it will help with improved video streaming (ie: video conference calls, watching tv), file transfers and as you pointed out tethering the device to a laptop for internet access. If RIM does release a 3G GSM Blackberry then I hope they are intelligent enough to provide it with a front video call camera similar to the HTC TYTN, Samsung Croix, Nokia N95, LG KU990, etc.

Keep in mind that first and foremost, the BB is a business tool and RIM's primary market is the business and government customer. Many, if not most, do not want the camera, particularly government and government contractors. Plus, I really don't see the need for streaming video on a BB, unless maybe that is somehow part of your profession. The screen isn't that big anyway!

I can see the camera and streaming video and all of the other bells and whistles on the consumer version though.

MichaelBB 09-07-2007 07:18 AM

Wifi and 3G in the BB on AT&T's network is coming December or January, RIM is the one holding it up .

This comes from a inside manager in AT&T in western NY. If you dont believe this well thats your prerogative.

speed4tu 09-07-2007 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelBB (Post 658638)
Wifi and 3G in the BB on AT&T's network is coming December or January, RIM is the one holding it up .

This comes from a inside manager in AT&T in western NY. If you dont believe this well thats your prerogative.

hope this is correct. I would love to see these two things in a BB

baccess 09-07-2007 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dubdub (Post 657491)
I really don't think 3G will live up to the hype and what everyone expects. Realistically, the only advantage I see is that it will be a bit faster if you tether..

Most anyone who has tethered using a 3g device and also a BB using Edge will tell you that it is more than a "bit" faster if you are in a 3G coverage area. Granted, the market for tethering is only a segment of the the overall BB Market. Email speed shouldn't be a significant difference and browsing, as it exists now, shouldn't appear significantly faster, but helps greatly to make possible future enhancements/applications.

jimmadden 09-07-2007 04:08 PM

3G is Key
 
a true simultaneous multi mode 3G BB would have several benefits
1. voice and data simultaneous, talk and tether and IM and video at the same time! sitting in an airport on a 2 hour con call? haven't seen an email in that time? haven't seen the email that your appt's canceled? thing of the past

2. video, don't downplay the use of video in biz and consumer apps unless you've seen it on great phones on greast networks. video conferencing - even on small screens is fantastic. kudos to the poster that suggested putting the camera on the front!

3. reallocation of bandwidth priority for the carriers, allows more usage of more channels and greatly simplifies OA+M of the network. allows for more services to be deployed more quickly and more cost effectively

so when do we get them? aren't they shipping via vodaphone in UK now?

dc/dc 09-07-2007 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jimmadden (Post 659339)
a true simultaneous multi mode 3G BB would have several benefits
1. voice and data simultaneous, talk and tether and IM and video at the same time! sitting in an airport on a 2 hour con call? haven't seen an email in that time? haven't seen the email that your appt's canceled? thing of the past

2. video, don't downplay the use of video in biz and consumer apps unless you've seen it on great phones on greast networks. video conferencing - even on small screens is fantastic. kudos to the poster that suggested putting the camera on the front!

3. reallocation of bandwidth priority for the carriers, allows more usage of more channels and greatly simplifies OA+M of the network. allows for more services to be deployed more quickly and more cost effectively

so when do we get them? aren't they shipping via vodaphone in UK now?

Vodafone has had a 3G BlackBerry, the 8707v, for over a year.

test54 09-07-2007 08:31 PM

and that makes the situation look that much worse. Yet another feature they are holding back on until they feel they need to release it. Its business I understand but they seem to really hold off on the features. they have had a gsm 3G for over a year, wifi available for longer than that.

shtekler 09-07-2007 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wade DeHart (Post 656589)
when is AT&T coming out with a Blackberry that runs at 3G speed? spoken to many there who are all clueless !!

uses less for me hardly we have coverage for 3 G in this country, so let them
work on that 1st.

reras99 09-08-2007 05:45 AM

3G is coming sooner than you think
 
I heard the 8820 will be replaced soon after it's released by the 8900 which will be 3G and cost around $800..........

NCBuckeye 09-08-2007 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reras99 (Post 659817)
I heard the 8820 will be replaced soon after it's released by the 8900 which will be 3G and cost around $800..........

LOL, OK. Info please?

john79g 09-09-2007 07:28 PM

i am no expert, but i know that i just purchased about 100 Blackberries for my company. i was trying to decide between Sprint and ATT. one of our key needs was broadband so our users can tether when needed. we asked ATT about 3G and told them it was a deal breaker since Sprint is EVDO. our rep is a large business rep and told us they have no timeline currently for 3G. he told us that knowing he would probabaly lose the sale, so i think if there were any plans he would have shared with us hoping they could get the sale.

BryanHarig 09-09-2007 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by john79g (Post 661273)
i am no expert, but i know that i just purchased about 100 Blackberries for my company. i was trying to decide between Sprint and ATT. one of our key needs was broadband so our users can tether when needed. we asked ATT about 3G and told them it was a deal breaker since Sprint is EVDO. our rep is a large business rep and told us they have no timeline currently for 3G. he told us that knowing he would probabaly lose the sale, so i think if there were any plans he would have shared with us hoping they could get the sale.

Then he is an honest man, better then many of the carrier reps who will fabricate any BS required to make the sale.

MichaelBB 09-09-2007 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wade DeHart (Post 656589)
when is AT&T coming out with a Blackberry that runs at 3G speed? spoken to many there who are all clueless !!

December & or January

NJBlackBerry 09-09-2007 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelBB (Post 661352)
December & or January

What year?

Stinsonddog 09-09-2007 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NJBlackBerry (Post 661359)
What year?

1Q 08 according to my rep.

john79g 09-09-2007 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanHarig (Post 661287)
Then he is an honest man, better then many of the carrier reps who will fabricate any BS required to make the sale.

he was, i was very disappointed that we couldn't use them at the time. the service we have received from AT&T was much better than the current train wreck with Sprint, however, they do have REV A and it is fast. Our end users don't deal with Sprint problems so they are happy, however, hopefully when our one year contract expires in 08 with Sprint AT&T will have a 3G BB AND the coverage to go with it, but that is a big if.

ABuehrlen 09-16-2007 01:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NJBlackBerry (Post 661359)
What year?

LOL.....gotta love NJ's Humor. Probably the year2016 NJ

SoxFan 09-16-2007 08:51 AM

I was at an AT&T store yesterday, and the manager told me that Blackberry is coming out with a new device with "WIFI", which will mean high speed web surfing, "sometime this fall".

guinda35 09-16-2007 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stinsonddog (Post 661382)
1Q 08 according to my rep.

Given that RIM already has the technology in place, I can't see why they would miss the Christmas season on purpose. You know, give us a chance to buy $800 Berry-presents with wifi, 3G, web browsing at warp speed, never before seen graphics, free and user friendly mapping and directions, more storage capacity, super battery life, and on ATT.

So I'd guess, totally guess, though on sound business principles, that we're looking at a mid Q4 of this year roll out for the 9xxx.

BryanHarig 09-16-2007 02:03 PM

The current generation of blackberries has just been refreshed. IE: 8300 -> 8320 and 8310, 8800 -> 8820, 8100 -> 8120, 8130 (soon).

Why would rim undercut that by launching a new 3g blackberry so soon? Remember that their main focus remains on the business market (despite their recent gains in consumer market), so they are not tied to the holiday season as some manufacturers.

LunkHead 09-16-2007 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dubdub (Post 657491)
I really don't think 3G will live up to the hype and what everyone expects. Realistically, the only advantage I see is that it will be a bit faster if you tether.

Email will be pushed as it always gets push. Speed won't make a noticeable difference.

You might be able to detect a little faster browsing, but I doubt if it will be much, since most websites are not optimized for mobile devices and the handhelds just don't have enough horsepower (processor and memory) and screen real estate to make it speedy.

One thing I think we will all see is that battery life will decrease, just as we are seeing now with the WiFi devices.

I hope it will prove me wrong though.

I agree 100% The hype over 3G is laughable IMHO....

rambo47 09-16-2007 03:32 PM

Ditto. I was all revved up for 3G, but when I think about it I realize it won't do much for me. WiFi would do more, but again it's not going to rewrite how I use my Blackberry. I want WiFi that is managed seamlessly by the device, like the iPhone. That's the only thing that really lights me up about the iPhone, however, and there's no way I'm ditching my Blackberry for one of those! These are "nice to have" features but not "killer features" IMHO. And to echo the sentiments expressed by Dubdub and Lunk, battery life is a major concern. I'm waiting for once to read the reviews of early adopters. Hey, sometimes it hurts being on the bleeding edge!

antman84 09-17-2007 01:24 PM

rim has been working on 3g blackberrys but will not release them until they have zero bugs. aim for q308 is what my sources tell me

jamexman 09-21-2007 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penguin3107 (Post 657078)
The rep you heard that from is mistaken.
None of the AT&T Blackberry Devices have a 3G radio in them.
It's not possible to add hardware to a device via OS update.


They said the same for a 4gb Micro SD support on the Pearl. Everybody said impossible since 4Ggb Micro SD support required new hardware. And then, boom new OS 4.2.1.107 was released and now the Pearl supports 4Gb micro SD cards.... Why not possible for 3G? Maybe the hardware is there, and the software support isnt there yet.... That's what I'm hoping at least

penguin3107 09-21-2007 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamexman (Post 676168)
They said the same for a 4gb Micro SD support on the Pearl. Everybody said impossible since 4Ggb Micro SD support required new hardware. And then, boom new OS 4.2.1.107 was released and now the Pearl supports 4Gb micro SD cards.... Why not possible for 3G? Maybe the hardware is there, and the software support isnt there yet.... That's what I'm hoping at least

This isn't even remotely close to supporting a higher capacity SD card.
The Pearl doesn't have a 3G radio in it. The Curve doesn't have a 3G radio in it. The 8800 doesn't have a 3G radio in it. The 8820 doesn't have a 3G radio in it. They've been opened, examined, scrutinized, deconstructed, etc... and there's no 3G radio in there.
Plain and simple. End of story.

BryanHarig 09-21-2007 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamexman (Post 676168)
They said the same for a 4gb Micro SD support on the Pearl. Everybody said impossible since 4Ggb Micro SD support required new hardware. And then, boom new OS 4.2.1.107 was released and now the Pearl supports 4Gb micro SD cards.... Why not possible for 3G? Maybe the hardware is there, and the software support isnt there yet.... That's what I'm hoping at least


The FCC doesnt test SD card slots. They do test wireless radios. If a device is going to ever use a 3g freqency legaly then they need to aprove it. When they do we will know about it.

bradhs 09-22-2007 04:09 AM

If we only had 3G broadband on our BlackBerry's ... I could drop my second account (laptop pc card) and all my current employees could tether! How nice would that be.

penguin3107 09-22-2007 07:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bradhs (Post 676484)
If we only had 3G broadband on our BlackBerry's ... I could drop my second account (laptop pc card) and all my current employees could tether! How nice would that be.

Switch to Verizon or Sprint. They've had 3G BlackBerry devices for years.
Just about all of our users dumped their PC Cards in favor of BlackBerry tethering.

flyingsaucer 09-22-2007 07:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dubdub (Post 657491)
I really don't think 3G will live up to the hype and what everyone expects.

The problem is that 3G has been available in other countries for several years and is relatively common. Although it may not have lived up to its hype, I would not consider a non-3G phone now, it would be a backwards step. This makes it frustrating when RIM brings out "new" models such as the curve but which are not 3G. It feels as if they are falling behind technologically.

BryanHarig 09-22-2007 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penguin3107 (Post 676540)
Switch to Verizon or Sprint. They've had 3G BlackBerry devices for years.
Just about all of our users dumped their PC Cards in favor of BlackBerry tethering.

I like having my EVDO data card seperate from my BB. I can let my girlfriend take it for the day and not be phoneless. Not to mention I have always gotten better speed and stability from a card when compared to a tethered phone.

dak8844 11-29-2007 04:00 PM

Works in Japan / S. Korea
 
3G BlackBerrys from AT&T would alleviate the problem of having to loan NTT DoCoMo (Japan) 3G BlackBerrys to our employees who travel to Japan / S. Korea.

rob0289 12-05-2007 07:29 PM

OK.....now what in the worlds from outter space is this?
 
Forgive me but... I know the modle is like 7130 and the most rumored 99xx or 9xxx. but on the end there is this Q4 or 1Q04 ....what is the Q? Q what? I or we dont know what that is?

thanks

penguin3107 12-05-2007 07:30 PM

Q = Quarter

Q4 = 4th Quarter
1Q04 = 1st Quarter of the year 2004.

cnlevo 12-10-2007 11:00 PM

I work for ATT and i keep hearing a DEAD SET release in 1Q08, but i haven't seen any hard evidence.

BB has waited WAYYY to long to bring itself into the 3G era. They really should have released the 8xxx series as 3G. When HTC's big phone was the 8125 and edge was the "fast" speed then blackberry was a no brainer, but i've been having trouble staying with my blackberry curve or 8820. I love them both because battery life is AMAZING...but with the blackjack II and the MotoQ, even though it's smartphone....why not. They have decent battery life and blackberry connect feature.

It'll happen though...i'm still staying loyal. I'm kind of wondering what's up with ATT releasing the 8700 again as a new kit and ATT branded. I thought that phone was done and over with for ATT.

All i know if that i'm watching RIM stock like a hawk for it to go down and then i'm going to buy as close to 1,000 shares as possible and when they release 3G SELL IT! lol

mush10 12-11-2007 02:29 PM

I am at the point now where I am waiting for either a HSDPA BB or CDMA Curve with EVDO (hopefully REV A). Which ever comes first will get my business.

hcheun 12-11-2007 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mush10 (Post 770985)
I am at the point now where I am waiting for either a HSDPA BB or CDMA Curve with EVDO (hopefully REV A). Which ever comes first will get my business.

haha mush10, i have the same sentiments exactly! ... I've been on my 8830 since the release and even though i love this phone, i'm ready for a 3G curve!

Murfunit 12-11-2007 03:39 PM

EVDO Curve...

/drool...

davidlw 12-12-2007 08:49 PM

I will tell you where 3G helps me, reception. Where my office is located I have poor reception and have to walk outside sometimes when talking to customers. With my 3G phone the reception is fantastic. Deal breaker for me, had to buy 3G Mototola Q9H which works great.

greggebhardt 12-13-2007 06:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beninark (Post 657320)
mmm...I thought rim was trying to jump into the consumer market...but the stuff they are releasing now really isnt a huge improvement over what they had. I really like the 8100 but I dont know...it just seems like they are content with the status quo instead of actually surging forward. I dont know...i could be out of the ball park but it seems like they are on a sinking ship...i just hope they jump on another boat soon.

This is funny! Have you checked their stock lately?

RIM is making GREAT progress in it's quest to get into the consumer market. In the last few years they now give us a choice of serveral models to choose from with most carriers, we used to only have one!

RIM know all too well what it is doing and their boat is not sinking! <LOL>

Schaffer 12-14-2007 10:46 AM

As a former employee of AT&T i know the 3G BB is in testing as we speak. I have been told it looks very similar to the Pearl with the sd card being reachable from the side of the phone. meaing you will not need to take off the back cover to add/remove yur SD card.

Schaffer 12-14-2007 10:50 AM

1 thing a alot of people will not like and i hope BB can resolve this issue. With 3G comes poor battery life. Every phone ATT currently sells with #G this is the main issue.

Battery life was one the main reasons ATT did not come out with the Motorola Q at start. The current Q comes with 2 batteries one being a hump back battery which takes away from the design of the phone. lol

JSanders 12-14-2007 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schaffer (Post 774750)
As a former employee of AT&T i know the 3G BB is in testing as we speak. I have been told it looks very similar to the Pearl with the sd card being reachable from the side of the phone. meaing you will not need to take off the back cover to add/remove yur SD card.

That device, in the form of the 8130, is already available on Sprint. The GSM version is likely coming soon, and probably won't have 3G.

Mark Rejhon 12-14-2007 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beninark (Post 657320)
mmm...I thought rim was trying to jump into the consumer market...but the stuff they are releasing now really isnt a huge improvement over what they had. I really like the 8100 but I dont know...it just seems like they are content with the status quo instead of actually surging forward. I dont know...i could be out of the ball park but it seems like they are on a sinking ship...i just hope they jump on another boat soon.

Man -- I remember 3 years ago that the latest and greatest was something like the 7280. They have leaped forward quite a huge amount in consumer friendliness. Clearly, they are 'less behind' now than they used to be in 2004.

Though I suspect the Pearl is due for a makeover. I'd bet they have a redesigned candybar keypad device in 2008, as well as a touchscreen device in 2008.

The Curve 8310 has quite a lot going for it, so maybe take a look at it if you are tired of the Pearl. (The AT&T red colored Curve 8310 is really nice.)

Mark Rejhon 12-14-2007 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schaffer (Post 774761)
1 thing a alot of people will not like and i hope BB can resolve this issue. With 3G comes poor battery life. Every phone ATT currently sells with #G this is the main issue.

Solution: Hybrid EDGE/3G device, and the ability to turn off 3G by choice.

BMRJus 12-14-2007 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Rejhon (Post 774858)
Solution: Hybrid EDGE/3G device, and the ability to turn off 3G by choice.

That is a solution indeed (no brainer maybe?) I too have been waiting anxiously for a 3G Blackberry as I do access the internet quite a bit from my 8800. Hyped or not, 3G has to be an improvement from "EDGE" (which quite frequently is just "edge" but that's a whole different topic) I played around with a Tilt at the ATT store. The browsing speed wasn't what I expected but better than what I have to deal with currently. Oh well, at least I get my email (when "EDGE" decides to grace my device with it's presents that is...)

BryanHarig 12-15-2007 12:47 PM

Every 3g smartphone I have used has had the option to disable 3g and fall back to EDGE. I would be supprised if the 3g blackberries dont offer that option.

mnylen 12-19-2007 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelBB (Post 658638)
Wifi and 3G in the BB on AT&T's network is coming December or January, RIM is the one holding it up .

This comes from a inside manager in AT&T in western NY. If you dont believe this well thats your prerogative.

WOuld the device be similar to the curve?

mush10 12-19-2007 10:01 AM

I hope it is similar to the curve, but I have a feeling the first 3G BB will more closely resemble the 8800 series so they can fit a larger battery. I agree with Mark that the EDGE HSDPA toggle would be the best solution.

ezrunner 12-19-2007 10:23 AM

RIM seems to be catching flak for not having a 3G BB for GSM yet. I'm guessing RIM will release as soon as they have one that meets the requirements. I would find it hard to believe that they dont have one developed and in some sort of testing and trial.

BryanHarig 12-19-2007 10:52 AM

If they really wanted to I am sure they could have launched one months ago. I dont think RIM (or the majority of RIMs customers) care as much about 3g as a few people here do.

3g will come soon, but RIM isnt going to rush it out the door or shorten the normal lifecycle of their latest Curve and Pearl 2 varients in order to get it out there sooner.

pwc realtor 12-22-2007 08:33 PM

There is one thing that noe on has mentioned yet.

AT&Ts 3g coverage is still relatively limited. I live in a fairly built-up suburb and we still do not have 3g coverage.

I also agree that most BB users will not notice the speed difference. The only thinig i can see as advantage is the simultaneous voice and data capability.

jibi 12-22-2007 11:12 PM

At a recent conference with Jim Balsillie as the speaker, he mentioned that the current GSM carrier infrastructures could only handle so much data before caving to the demands of 3G technology. Current UMTS/HSDPA/HSUPA networks are VERY limited in allowed bandwidth from all 3G-capable carriers (in North America). Needless to say, there is a lot of truth in the fact that there is a high demand for a technology that will not necessarily have the infrastructure in place to support it at full capacity and full capability. If AT&T or the like would offer full speeds to everyone, I'd be very surprised.

As for the benefits, 3G can really come in handy when you're streaming video over the network, or downloading raw attachments from messages (OS 4.3), or remote upgrading device OS (OS 4.3+BES 4.1.5), or a lot of other possibilities that are being added. There are also a lot of internal application development items at a lot of companies that could benefit from 3G technology and speed. RIM can see the necessity and benefits, but I think they're also looking at it from the aspect that they have a very popular device and platform and could end up having a negative experience when it is implemented.

Regardless, we'll see it sooner than later. :)

trbloomer 12-24-2007 09:55 AM

3G for everyone
 
People are probably right that many of the business people using the BB don't want or need 3G, cameras, streaming video etc.

But really that misses the point. Not having features will not increase sales to any group, with the possible exception of the camera.

As pointed out battery life would be a major problem/liability but turning off the 3G solves that. Business is not the growth area for BB that consumers are now or soon will be. And holding back on tech for unknown reasons (unknown by the public) is not a great way to expand your market share.

And the product update angle seems a canard, they refreshed the 8800 in months.

Anyway

Happy solstice to everyone

Todd

davidlw 12-25-2007 06:23 PM

I use 3G where my office is because of reception. Where I am located, 2G breaks up and I have to go outside to get phone calls without breaking up. Of course I like the 3G for web also.

NEPatriot4life 12-27-2007 12:27 AM

I hope ATT will offer 3G in 2008 for Blackberry curve or new 9000 series

tobyw 12-27-2007 12:12 PM

This is an interesting discussion. I have a bit of a different perspective being in the UK. I am currently on T-Mo UK, who have no Edge coverage at all. Therefore I'm stuck with slow GPRS all the time. As a result I don't do much web browsing on my Pearl. Having said that, it doesn't make an different for e-mail.

In the UK we have good 3G coverage but not much Edge. O2 have rolled out some Edge coverage for the iPhone. I do seem to recall that Orange had some Edge at one stage, but my father has an Orange Pearl and that always seems to be on GPRS too. I don't know whether this situation is repeated in other European counties. So, looking globally, we seem to have a more pressing need for a 3G BB.

One thing that piqued my interest is that reception may be better for a 3G BB. I currently get very spotty reception at home, which is insufficient to make a call, so better coverage would be great if a 3G BB is released. Until then, I'm happy with my Pearl.

I would be even happier with the Pearl if RIM made a few improvements to BIS though. I think this is key to continue penetrating the prosumer marketplace. In particular, I'm thinking of HTML e-mail, better reconciliation and the ability to file messages in folders which I still miss having with Chatter on my Treo 650.

greggebhardt 12-30-2007 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanHarig (Post 775775)
Every 3g smartphone I have used has had the option to disable 3g and fall back to EDGE. I would be supprised if the 3g blackberries dont offer that option.

I would thing the device would be on EDGE all the time except when you need the extra speed. Keeping a phone on 3G while waiting for a phone call of a email notification is a waste of resources. I think it will all be automatic.

I am betting the RIM gets it right when they do a 3G phone. The 9xxx will blow the iPhone off the map!

PPCMD 12-30-2007 01:29 PM

3G is great but until AT&T has more areas covered what's the point? If you roll along and then drop off of 3G then what you have Edge. Cart before the horse.

rudegar 12-30-2007 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tobyw (Post 786736)
This is an interesting discussion. I have a bit of a different perspective being in the UK. I am currently on T-Mo UK, who have no Edge coverage at all. Therefore I'm stuck with slow GPRS all the time. As a result I don't do much web browsing on my Pearl. Having said that, it doesn't make an different for e-mail.

In the UK we have good 3G coverage but not much Edge. O2 have rolled out some Edge coverage for the iPhone. I do seem to recall that Orange had some Edge at one stage, but my father has an Orange Pearl and that always seems to be on GPRS too. I don't know whether this situation is repeated in other European counties. So, looking globally, we seem to have a more pressing need for a 3G BB.

One thing that piqued my interest is that reception may be better for a 3G BB. I currently get very spotty reception at home, which is insufficient to make a call, so better coverage would be great if a 3G BB is released. Until then, I'm happy with my Pearl.

I would be even happier with the Pearl if RIM made a few improvements to BIS though. I think this is key to continue penetrating the prosumer marketplace. In particular, I'm thinking of HTML e-mail, better reconciliation and the ability to file messages in folders which I still miss having with Chatter on my Treo 650.

Interesting persepctive. Us "Paxamericans" may not have realized that RIM has a reason to bring out 3G because of the European market. Though the U.S. market is neither built-out or market-ready, perhaps Euro is sufficiently built-out AND market-ready. Hmmm

TonyTone 01-01-2008 09:48 AM

STUPID QUESTION ::

is there way that 3g can be finally offered through firmware updates?

PPCMD 01-01-2008 02:16 PM

Unfortunately no, it all in the radio that is installed.

Bigbmc26 01-02-2008 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PPCMD (Post 789864)
3G is great but until AT&T has more areas covered what's the point? If you roll along and then drop off of 3G then what you have Edge. Cart before the horse.

The point is, the current smartphone market is 3G. RIM is a serious player and are dragging their feet. HTC, Motorola, even slow as nails Palm have released UMTS/HSDPA products into the market for at&t's 3G network. It doesn't matter how big the network is, what matters is can I get HSDPA when it's available, period! :smile:

fwellers 01-02-2008 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigbmc26 (Post 791977)
The point is, the current smartphone market is 3G. RIM is a serious player and are dragging their feet. HTC, Motorola, even slow as nails Palm have released UMTS/HSDPA products into the market for at&t's 3G network. It doesn't matter how big the network is, what matters is can I get HSDPA when it's available, period! :smile:

My surfing experience, especially with the bb browser is very satisfactory. I am not looking forward to needing a thicker device, or suffering with less battery power because of going to 3g.

dstrauss 01-03-2008 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigbmc26 (Post 791977)
The point is, the current smartphone market is 3G. RIM is a serious player and are dragging their feet. HTC, Motorola, even slow as nails Palm have released UMTS/HSDPA products into the market for at&t's 3G network. It doesn't matter how big the network is, what matters is can I get HSDPA when it's available, period! :smile:

As a former Blackjack owner (now Curve convert), AT&T has to SERIOUSLY improve the signal/radio/whatever efficiency of HSDPA networks. Even without any browsing, voice only signal drain was at least 2X over teh EDGE network in solid areas such as San Antonio and Houston. I fully understand why Apple did not support 3G with the first iPhone - it would need to be twice as thick for the same battery performance.

liquidreign 01-26-2008 06:01 AM

New 3G Chip set
 
I hope they use the new 3G chipset from broadcom it is said to have solved the battery draining issues. I have read that this is going to be in the next version of the iPhone and the reason the current iPhone didn't come with 3G was because of battery issues.

jibi 01-26-2008 09:10 AM

They're using the Marvell/Intel XScale Tavor chipset. This chipset has not yet been included in any mobile device, cell phone, or UMPC.

liquidreign 01-26-2008 11:05 AM

3g
 
Here are a couple of articles about the new 3G Chipset

Broadcom touts new "3G phone on a chip," could show up in 3G iPhone

3G: Broadcom's Latest 3G Chip Has Longer Life, Cheaper Costs, iPhone Potential


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