[RedSoxFan]

Originally Posted by archer6

Wirelessly posted (BlackBerry7130/4.1.0 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/102)

Let's face it, the cellular industry & the carriers most specifically all employ excessive control, charge excessively high prices & cripple the phones they sell in some way. So from my viewpoint, I choose the carrier with the best coveage then everything else if is secondary. No coverage = useless device.

I agree with you 100%. They all get you one way or another. Bottom line is the reception and coverage.

[theBorg]

Originally Posted by archer6

[SIZE=1][all] the carriers [...] employ excessive control, charge excessively high prices & cripple the phones they sell in some way.

I've never had that impression about any device or service from T-Mo... with the possible exception of the 8800 @ $350.

[PabloTX]

Originally Posted by Dawg

not network! a device only! GPS works as well as MMS on my wifes 8600, my sons 9800 and my daughters envy

Does it work free downloadable apps like Google Maps or BB Maps (like the 8800), or do you have to pay for use via VZ Nav?

Not comparing apples to apples with the inclusion of the enV, 9800, etc. to the BB 8800.

And I care because I was a 5+ year VZW subscriber who recently ported out (and paid the ETF) very largely due to crippled features and restrictive policies.

[Dawg]

Originally Posted by PabloTX

Does it work free downloadable apps like Google Maps or BB Maps (like the 8800), or do you have to pay for use via VZ Nav?

Not comparing apples to apples with the inclusion of the enV, 9800, etc. to the BB 8800.

And I care because I was a 5+ year VZW subscriber who recently ported out (and paid the ETF) very largely due to crippled features and restrictive policies.

you cant do anything with it

[wild_thing673]

About some of the rumors: I don't work for Blackberry, I work for a Rogers dealer but I have talked to BB reps and they said that they considered putting wi-fi into the phones but due to security concerns they wouldn't. Now, they also said this about putting a camera in as well but they are looking back on that decision and are saying that although they gave the IT departments the coding to block the use of the camera's and the SD card, the customers were still having their phones taken away from them because security didn't know that they were locked (this p%@*$ed off alot of middle management, who yelled at the carriers!, etc...) From what I'm being told, and I know that BB loves to mess with our heads with rumors, they are designing two different branches for their devices, one side will have phones that will completely satisfy the big companies and their security departments while not compromising on function(which probably means no wi-fi!), and the other side will have the regular consumer oriented phones, (of whom they didn't know would love the 8100 so much and asa result has opened up a whole new market for them), these will have your faster media apps and high res. camera's. For all I know they could be yanking my chain just to yank my chain, and Canada's market is so much different ffrom the US but RIM is Canadian and that means they will always have the newest versions through us (rogers) and coincedentally AT&T/T-Mobile with CDMA versions following 6 months later. Sorry Verizon/Sprint/etc... you will probably never get new designs or new technology before GSM from now on because RIM is way more focused on the more powerful (and better globally) GSM.

[Cory Scheuer]

anything rumored for Rogers jibi?

[jibi]

Originally Posted by Cory Scheuer

anything rumored for Rogers jibi?

The appeal of the new Wi-Fi devices is the UMA/GAN integration (only available with T-Mobile), so I'm not really sure where having it and the xx10 series devices will benefit a carrier that doesn't have the GAN infrastructure (but perhaps they're interested in offering Wi-Fi data capabilities without the voice enhancements). But alas, someone posted a few days ago that AT&T was to have the 8820 in testing, so perhaps it's being shopped around to other non-GAN carriers, which would include Rogers. With that said, I would expect to see the 8310 (GPSCurve) and 8110 (GPSPearl) available from Rogers upon device launches. I could be totally wrong, but I would align Rogers to AT&T here in the States (and I cannot honestly think of a time in a while when they didn't release the same devices).

[flash24]

It's going to be a great year for BB Tmobile users

[Galvatron]

well i fish out of tech suort that rim will be releasing wifi enabled devices the xx20 models.

due out in Q3 they include but are not limited too
the 8120 th 8320 an the 8820.

Now about the 3G question my awner doubtful in the US.
wanna kno why?

see 3g speed formats ere UMTS and HSDPA

HSDPA is actually 3.5 and blows EVDO out of the water.
Evdo REV A is 2.5

tmo and ATT wont upgrade ther network unlees they gettaproval form the fcc or th fcc raises the bar.

for all you clueless people FCC= Federal Comunikcations Comission

th fcc's defintion of "broad band speed is a pathetic 222kb

and the bar has not been raised in 10 freaking years.
suposwdly they will rais the defintion broad band 222kbs? i say 222MB there is also the telco shenangains since th fcc has not jumped on them lat y the carriers feel no need to upgrade the infrastrucure. Also it is interesting to not that CDMA is an older tech fom the lat 80's to early 90's

trust me thos bricky cell phones back then had no SIM card slots> just an EPROM AND i know this cause my dad had one of thos moterola cell bricks.

and i took out the battery to see what the inerd looked like

so even if you had a 3.5g capable device it's usleess without the 3.5g networks

which th US is lacking

[Dawg]

Spell checked and reposted so it wont give you a head ache to read


well i fished out of tech support that rim will be releasing wifi enabled devices the xx20 models.

due out in Q3 they include but are not limited too
the 8120 th 8320 an the 8820.

Now about the 3G question my owner doubtful in the US.
Do you wanna know why?

see 3g speed formats are UMTS and HSDPA

HSDPA is actually 3.5 and blows EVDO out of the water.
Evdo REV A is 2.5

tmo and ATT wont upgrade their network unless they get approval form the FCC or th FCC raises the bar.

for all you clueless people FCC= Federal Communications Commission

the (edited) definition of "broad band speed is a pathetic KB

and the bar has not been raised in 10 freaking years.
supposedly they will raise the definition broad band 222kbs? i say 222MB there is also the telco shenanigans since th FCC has not jumped on them lately the carriers feel no need to upgrade the infrastructure. Also it is interesting to note that CDMA is an older tech form the lat 90's to early 90's

trust me these bricky cell phones back then had no SIM card slots> just an EPROM AND i know this because my dad had one of those Motorola cell bricks.

and i took out the battery to see what the insides looked like

so even if you had a 3.5g capable device it's useless without the 3.5g networks

which th US is lacking
</SPAN>

[JGBerry]

Originally Posted by Dawg

Spell checked and reposted so it wont give you a head ache to read


well i fished out of tech support that rim will be releasing wifi enabled devices the xx20 models.

due out in Q3 they include but are not limited too
the 8120 th 8320 an the 8820.

Now about the 3G question my owner doubtful in the US.
Do you wanna know why?

see 3g speed formats are UMTS and HSDPA

HSDPA is actually 3.5 and blows EVDO out of the water.
Evdo REV A is 2.5

tmo and ATT wont upgrade their network unless they get approval form the FCC or th FCC raises the bar.

for all you clueless people FCC= Federal Communications Commission

the (edited) definition of "broad band speed is a pathetic KB

and the bar has not been raised in 10 freaking years.
supposedly they will raise the definition broad band 222kbs? i say 222MB there is also the telco shenanigans since th FCC has not jumped on them lately the carriers feel no need to upgrade the infrastructure. Also it is interesting to note that CDMA is an older tech form the lat 90's to early 90's

trust me these bricky cell phones back then had no SIM card slots> just an EPROM AND i know this because my dad had one of those Motorola cell bricks.

and i took out the battery to see what the insides looked like

so even if you had a 3.5g capable device it's useless without the 3.5g networks

which th US is lacking
</SPAN>

haha thanks for the translation Dawg...but even with the translation... i'm not sure what he actually is trying to say in his post. aka...what is his point he is trying to make? seems like he digresses all over the place

[RedSoxFan]

Originally Posted by JGBerry

haha thanks for the translation Dawg...but even with the translation... i'm not sure what he actually is trying to say in his post. aka...what is his point he is trying to make? seems like he digresses all over the place

I'm guessing he was probably over served....if you know what I mean. Look at his post time....3am.

[Stabs]

Originally Posted by Galvatron

Also it is interesting to not that CDMA is an older tech fom the lat 80's to early 90's and some other incoherent stuff

What are you talking about? CDMA is newer than GSM and was first commercially available in 1995 vs 1991 for GSM.

[birddog]

Now.. Please don't tell me that an 83xx is coming out this summer, to AT&T, with 3G!

I just purchased an 8300 today.

[Blackberryer]

Originally Posted by birddog

Now.. Please don't tell me that an 83xx is coming out this summer, to AT&T, with 3G!

I just purchased an 8300 today.

I think you're safe.

[WonkotheSane]

Originally Posted by Galvatron

well i fish out of tech suort that rim will be releasing wifi enabled devices the xx20 models.

due out in Q3 they include but are not limited too
the 8120 th 8320 an the 8820.

Now about the 3G question my awner doubtful in the US.
wanna kno why?

see 3g speed formats ere UMTS and HSDPA

HSDPA is actually 3.5 and blows EVDO out of the water.
Evdo REV A is 2.5

tmo and ATT wont upgrade ther network unlees they gettaproval form the fcc or th fcc raises the bar.

for all you clueless people FCC= Federal Comunikcations Comission

th fcc's defintion of "broad band speed is a pathetic 222kb

and the bar has not been raised in 10 freaking years.
suposwdly they will rais the defintion broad band 222kbs? i say 222MB there is also the telco shenangains since th fcc has not jumped on them lat y the carriers feel no need to upgrade the infrastrucure. Also it is interesting to not that CDMA is an older tech fom the lat 80's to early 90's

trust me thos bricky cell phones back then had no SIM card slots> just an EPROM AND i know this cause my dad had one of thos moterola cell bricks.

and i took out the battery to see what the inerd looked like

so even if you had a 3.5g capable device it's usleess without the 3.5g networks

which th US is lacking

It's not lacking here. at&t's hsdpa network is available now:
AT&T BroadbandConnect (HSDPA) - Review by PC Magazine

TMo has a problem with spectrum availability in the US with regard to UMTS. They're working on it, but it will take a while. Even then it will run on 1700MHz (at least partly), which means manufactures will have to make phones specifically for TMo in the US market.

I'll be surprised and disappointed if RIM doesn't have a 3G offering in the U.S. before the year is out. Personally, I hope it is tri-band (like the at&t 8525) so it will work on hsdpa overseas.

[jeremyckitching]

Originally Posted by Dawg

Spell checked and reposted so it wont give you a head ache to read


well i fished out of tech support that rim will be releasing wifi enabled devices the xx20 models.

due out in Q3 they include but are not limited too
the 8120 th 8320 an the 8820.

Now about the 3G question my owner doubtful in the US.
Do you wanna know why?

see 3g speed formats are UMTS and HSDPA

HSDPA is actually 3.5 and blows EVDO out of the water.
Evdo REV A is 2.5

tmo and ATT wont upgrade their network unless they get approval form the FCC or th FCC raises the bar.

for all you clueless people FCC= Federal Communications Commission

the (edited) definition of "broad band speed is a pathetic KB

and the bar has not been raised in 10 freaking years.
supposedly they will raise the definition broad band 222kbs? i say 222MB there is also the telco shenanigans since th FCC has not jumped on them lately the carriers feel no need to upgrade the infrastructure. Also it is interesting to note that CDMA is an older tech form the lat 90's to early 90's

trust me these bricky cell phones back then had no SIM card slots> just an EPROM AND i know this because my dad had one of those Motorola cell bricks.

and i took out the battery to see what the insides looked like

so even if you had a 3.5g capable device it's useless without the 3.5g networks

which th US is lacking
</SPAN>

LOL! I was reading the original and was like, "uhhhh....what??"

[Wickwire]

Originally Posted by jibi

BlackBerry 8310 - Curve+GPS (rumored AT&T)
BlackBerry 8320 - Curve+WiFi (confirmed T-Mobile)
BlackBerry 8330 - Curve+GSM/CDMA (rumored Verizon)
BlackBerry 8110 - Pearl 2 (rumored AT&T; possibly includes GPS)
BlackBerry 8120 - Pearl 2+WiFi (rumored T-Mobile)
BlackBerry 8130 - Pearl 2+GSM/CDMA (rumored Verizon)
BlackBerry 8820 - 8800+WiFi+GPS (rumored T-Mobile; doubtful release)

That should be about it. If there's something else in the pipeline, then I have absolutely no clue about it. We should see all of these before the end of the year, although that's just my own opinion that should be taken with a grain of salt and a dash of sand.

BlackBerry 8130 - Pearl 2+GSM/CDMA (confirmed Sprint Q4)

[Dawg]

Originally Posted by Wickwire

BlackBerry 8130 - Pearl 2+GSM/CDMA (confirmed Sprint Q4)

and your confirmation comes from where? We need proof other wise just a rumor

[Wickwire]

Originally Posted by Dawg

and your confirmation comes from where? We need proof other wise just a rumor

Straight from marketing... I work for a Customer Care divison of sprint