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10-27-2008, 09:45 AM
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Hi has anyone migtrated their servers to VMs?
If so do you have any proceedures I can follow?
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10-27-2008, 09:46 AM
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Lots of us have. BES runs beautifully within a VMware virtual machine.
Installing in a VM is the same procedure as installing on a physical machine. Nothing added to look out for.
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10-27-2008, 10:29 AM
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Several threads on this already. Personally, I ran the Converter utility and converted my physical servers to virtual and they run great.
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10-27-2008, 10:40 AM
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I used Virtual Server 2005, reinstalled everything. worked great! plus it was free!
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10-27-2008, 07:39 PM
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I think I used vmware converter to migrate ours. Well over a year as a VM and no issues.
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10-27-2008, 10:35 PM
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4/6 of our servers are running in a ESX Cluster, haven't had any issues with them at all.
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10-28-2008, 09:26 AM
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I don't like to be a "me too" guy but I ran converter on my physical server as well and it converted right over to my host.
No problems in the last 6 months.
I'm running ESX 3.5.
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10-28-2008, 11:15 AM
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I just did a fresh build with a vmware esx cluster, moved the users to the another server, took down the old box, brought up the vm box with the same name and ip, installed bes with the same srp then moved the users back.
i had originally assigned 2 cpu's to the server, but i found after moving users back that it bogged the server down (pretty badly actually to the point where it had to be restarted) so i added 2 more for a grand total of 4 cpu's and its been running great since.
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10-28-2008, 11:38 AM
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RadHaz - how many users? You shouldn't need 4 processors. We have been running ~400 users with 1 processor (1.86Ghz) and 1 GB of RAM with no problems for almost a year.
To those that used the converter - make sure you clean up the old services that refer to hardware. Otherwise you can have performance problems.
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10-28-2008, 02:09 PM
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You should only need 1 CPU. Because of the load balancing that ESX does adding more than 1 CPU to a VM can decrease performance in many instances. It is generally better to have a cluster of VMs with 1 CPU than have 1 VM with multiple CPUs.
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10-28-2008, 11:38 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TreeDude
You should only need 1 CPU. Because of the load balancing that ESX does adding more than 1 CPU to a VM can decrease performance in many instances. It is generally better to have a cluster of VMs with 1 CPU than have 1 VM with multiple CPUs.
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Totally agree - too many people add CPU's to VMs for no good reason. If all your VM's have multiple VCPU's you have effectivly crippled your ESX server.
We always use 1 VCPU unless application requires 2. BES on 1 VCPU 2.5 GHZ AMD machine with 1 GB RAM runs great with 300 users. We run 15-20 VM's on our 32 GB 2xdual core AMD servers.
When you start BES it always hits the CPU hard until it settles down after about 5-10 minutes of syncing with Exchange. This is normal.
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10-29-2008, 08:16 AM
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it started to bog down around 200 users, so i added the 2 others and its fine now. we have a total of around 600 on there now.
like i said it was a fresh build too.
i dont know much about the vm side yet (im not the one implementing and managing the servers) but i know we purchased a new blade for this.
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10-29-2008, 10:25 AM
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sounds like you have other issues with your VM setup. You might want to talk to the vm administrator.
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10-29-2008, 11:04 AM
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Running BES v4.6.10 (Exchange 2007) on ESX v3.5 server.
One CPU, 2G memory, 250+ users.
Average CPU usage = 10%
No problems.
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10-29-2008, 02:49 PM
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did anyone have to reconfigure the CPU shares or reserve any memory on the VMware side
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11-03-2008, 03:36 PM
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We leave our servers pretty much open. No reserves. We set the specs we want per machine and let ESX do the management. It has worked very well. Be sure your ESX servers are up to date though. Each new version generally brings performance increases with it. If your running an older version of ESX that could be your problem (you should be running at least 3.5).
I have set 1 CPU (3.0ghz Xeon) and 2gb of RAM for my BES. The CPU generally stays around 5-15%. Honestly 2gb of RAM is probably overkill for us, but the server it is on is way underutilized, so we give most of our VMs some headroom.
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11-17-2008, 10:53 AM
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For the database piece, are you running MSDE on the same VM, or SQL on a separate VM, or on a physical server?
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11-18-2008, 10:53 AM
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We have ours on a remote SQL server which is physical. There have been many reports that MDSE works well in a VM for BES. I personally still recommend having your database on a dedicated SQL server (not dedicated to the BES, just dedicated to SQL databases), especially if you have hundreds of users.
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11-19-2008, 07:27 AM
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What about max. users per VM?
Hi,
Currently we are tryping to place no more than 1000 users on one BES.
What do you think, is it necessary to lower the max. number on VM Ware?
Greetings,
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11-19-2008, 09:46 AM
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I have 752 users on my largest BES VM. No problems. Could probably go higher if I wanted to, but don't want to, would rather provision more servers. 
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