[PDM]

http://www.multiupload.com/PRNOSNV2WW

[pokey]

Looks like bbm does not work with this OS. Messages just keep showing the clock icon....arrgghhhhh......switching back.....

[pokey]

Shazam doesn't work either....back to .509.

[Shaolin]

hmm, glad I read the forum before I downloaded it.

[Dinan3]

Originally Posted by pokey

Looks like bbm does not work with this OS. Messages just keep showing the clock icon....arrgghhhhh......switching back.....

hmm... BBM works fine for me with this build; incoming and outgoing messages are running without a glitch....so far.

[MaxPayne79]

oh god, sounds like another sh*tty 9000 OS leak. Thats two in a row for me. Previous one Nuked my Bold. What's going on around here. Disaster stories are surfacing on other forums bout this build just like the previous one. Just thought id put it out there for ya'll safety Plus i'm reading that it's a 'bulkier' build meaning it eats up more ram, takes up longer to load and in some cases it's slower. Wow. No wonder Rim' shares are down. The truth is in the details my friends.

[the-economist]

Originally Posted by MaxPayne79

No wonder Rim' shares are down. The truth is in the details my friends.

yeah, leaked builds which are internally released experimental code that hasn't been neither fully tested nor released either by the vendor or a carrier, code that CLEARLY is not meant to be deployed on production handsets, code that CLEARLY shouldn't even exist in users' hands, would hurt the company's profitability when it breaks, because you chose to run code you picked up from a rapidshare link.

Bullet-proof argument right there. RIM's days are numbered man, im telling ya

[MaxPayne79]

Originally Posted by the-economist

Bullet-proof argument right there. RIM's days are numbered man, im telling ya

lol...no i wasn't trying to make a grand statement hence why i had no argument cause that wasn't my point but, if u have a solid base of an OS, u build on top of it, that's it.

I always install OSX beta releases because there's a real OS to begin with, the only thing that is changed with each build are the bells and whistles therefore i have no fear of the OS destroying my macbook. But the OS is solid if u strip it down which is the key. Windows Vista and 95 percent of Microsoft products are not good no matter what build u have, weather official or not, because they're badly build to begin with. Symbian OS is an OS i have a ton of experience with, is an extremely solid mobile OS. Very well made. Dated now (because nokia fell asleep), but solid non the less. In all three cases, you have a pattern. Once u have a product, u just enhance it, and most importantly u have to keep the user happy so it's ur job to make it usable, lol. But these guys go from a fantastically solid build like the .509 beta to the disastrous .554 beta and now this one. It's very strange. There is no pattern to what they do and that it not good.

The company is not bankable as i call it. I invested in apple many many years ago. Bought stock in 04 at 39 dollars a share...sold stock in 07 at 200 a share. Make good money. Bought a bmw. Happy times. I owned rim stock which i later sold because it was insanely unstable. Up and down up and down same as their OS builds. one's good one's bad. No pattern. Not Bankable. And all the answers i needed to sell their stock was in the product which is not very well made. They're an amateur company trying to compete in a professional environment and they're not keeping up. Thats my problem with BlackBerry.

Just this morning before i hoped onto here and saw ur fantastical response, i installed a new app from the AppStore, then restarted the phone witch it forced me too, and now the phone has reset its self. Straight back to the factory settings. I mean honestly what it that? lol. If i was a share holder and id see that, id dump all my shares asap because u have a company thats been working on an OS for 15 years or longer, and this is what happens on their flagship phone, on a official OS release (.509) and in a intensely hot mobile phone market that's getting hotter by the day.

It's just goofy my friend.

[the-economist]

Originally Posted by MaxPayne79

I always install OSX beta releases because there's a real OS to begin with, the only thing that is changed with each build are the bells and whistles
...
But these guys go from a fantastically solid build like the .509 beta to the disastrous .554 beta and now this one.
...

Seems there is a pattern to your behaviour to use beta code in different tech you're using. If you can afford to jump instantly to any piece of random update that crosses your path ,to get "bells and whistles" from non verified rapidshare links, one can safely assume that you're not servicing any mission critical operation with the technology you're using nor is your gear doing anything productive. You're a hobbyist. If things go horribly wrong while you're playing with your tech you just lost a couple of hours or a couple days or whatever it takes for you to correct the mess. I envy you deeply.

Some others that are a bit less fortunate than yourself have to maintain a release engineering team on site, rollout potential updates to a couple of testbeds, check for compliance and compatibility issues with the rest of the infrastructure, maintain changelogs, schedule downtime, having to rollout updates while maintaining 4 9s availability, and SHIVER for weeks or months before even thinking of touching production gear.

Since you can afford the downtime then sure, play along.

[PDM]

9000 flagship phone? :eek:
Which app caused this (on which OS)?

[MaxPayne79]

Originally Posted by PDM

9000 flagship phone? :eek:
Which app caused this (on which OS)?

on .544 beta and app is called "Skyscape Medical Resources" filed under "Education" in App World.

[MaxPayne79]

Originally Posted by the-economist

Seems there is a pattern to your behaviour to use beta code in different tech you're using. If you can afford to jump instantly to any piece of random update that crosses your path ,to get "bells and whistles" from non verified rapidshare links, one can safely assume that you're not servicing any mission critical operation with the technology you're using nor is your gear doing anything productive. You're a hobbyist. If things go horribly wrong while you're playing with your tech you just lost a couple of hours or a couple days or whatever it takes for you to correct the mess. I envy you deeply.

Some others that are a bit less fortunate than yourself have to maintain a release engineering team on site, rollout potential updates to a couple of testbeds, check for compliance and compatibility issues with the rest of the infrastructure, maintain changelogs, schedule downtime, having to rollout updates while maintaining 4 9s availability, and SHIVER for weeks or months before even thinking of touching production gear.

Since you can afford the downtime then sure, play along.

so what are u saying that these people are rushed hence why they put out sh*tty software? What's that got to do with me the end user? I pay money for a device and service to make sure these "lab monkeys" as how u essentially described them, release proper software that functions. Im not concerned with maintaining changelongs and 4 9s availability...i am however concerned with paying 500 dollars for a phone that lasts 3.5 hours on a single battery charge and has software that kinda sorta maybe works while paying 40 dollars a month to use that software, know what im sayin.

i love blackberries don't get me wrong, but man...they need a visionary. Someone who can really change things up and bring them to the 21st century. Where ever i go, people tell me im stuck in the 90s with my bold and tell me to use an iphone. I say why do i want a phone made by a socialist? lol. i escaped from europe during the russian occupation, i don't wanna go back lol.

All i said was that i can see why they're immensely falling behind, thats all. Just an observation. no need to get ur knickers in a bunch miss.

and regarding my macbook, i don't have to worry about code leaks cause there are never any problems. I d/l the software from very reliable sources and sometimes i get it on a DVD all ready for me.

I love new technology on all fronts. But with the BBs i feel like i'm traveling backwards in time lol. like im de-evolving.

[JasW]

After running this for 24 hours, the only "problem" I've encountered is that there is about 4 MB less memory than with .554 and .509. But it seems to be as stable memory-wise as .509. And everything else works just fine as far as I can see. No black clock icon, wifi problems, SMS problems, app switcher problems, and the browser and the UI in general runs as speedy as ever. In fact, it's quite the opposite of "another sh*tty 9000 OS leak." I just don't like the fact that it's bulkiness uses an extra 4MB.

[kenv]

Originally Posted by JasW

After running this for 24 hours, the only "problem" I've encountered is that there is about 4 MB less memory than with .554 and .509. .... I just don't like the fact that it's bulkiness uses an extra 4MB.

Could it be because the later OSs don't give the option /not/ to install BB Messenger or to delete it once it is installed on the BB? (On my loader screen, it is checked and grayed out.) I was able to remove BBM manually (the cods) using BBSAK. What else would account for 4 mb of extra memory?

[the-economist]

Originally Posted by MaxPayne79

I pay money for a device and service to make sure these "lab monkeys" as how u essentially described them, release proper software that functions.

No,I wasn't referring to RIM, although i suspect a 12 billion revenue company with worldwide presence would operate the same release engineering cycles and scheduling engineers are taught to follow in all respectable engineering schools in the country.

Im not concerned with maintaining changelongs and 4 9s availability...

I know. We've established that. That's the reason you can afford experimenting with pre-release code. You're a hobbyist that's playing around with tech. Anybody that was using BB as a mission critical part of their business infrastructure wouldn't consider touching pre-release code with a six foot pole.

i am however concerned with paying 500 dollars for a phone that lasts 3.5 hours on a single battery charge and has software that kinda sorta maybe works while paying 40 dollars a month to use that software, know what im sayin.

I understand what you're saying. What i don't understand is why you continue being a customer on a platform that keeps performing so poorly for you. Maybe you should go back to the drawing board and try to find a communication solution that matches and performs better on the production task you wish to accomplish.

Where ever i go, people tell me im stuck in the 90s with my bold and tell me to use an iphone.

I would advice to rate the platform on merit of performance rather than public opinion. Shiny-toys peer pressure of the sort belongs to a schoolyard.

[dbltap]

Can we take the iPhone vs Blackberry rants back to general discussions and out of discussions about a particular version of un-released beta code? This thread should be focused on how well this particular build works on the 9000. I'm here looking to see how stable this build happens to be and if there are any game stoppers if I were to load this version on two 9000s. Your BlackBerry KFU iPhone friends opinions of the BlackBerry platform mean nothing to the reliability of this build.

(KFU=Knowledge Free User)

[MaxPayne79]

Originally Posted by the-economist

I understand what you're saying. What i don't understand is why you continue being a customer on a platform that keeps performing so poorly for you. Maybe you should go back to the drawing board and try to find a communication solution that matches and performs better on the production task you wish to accomplish.

i have a 10 year old internet service from bell aswell i have a 10 year old email address that will only do push email on Blackberry devices. It will not work on any other platform as ive tried to get it to work on nokia and win-mo. The bell people tried to make it work but no one can figure out why all my bell email accounts only work on blackberry. Their last suggestion was to go to authsmtp(dot)com (formerly known as smpt(dot)com) and buy the right to send emails for 40 a month.

don't think so.

[stevielive]

My first experience with a "bad" beta: Memory leak 29mb to 6 mb within 3 hours. Battery (though almost a year old in June) drained daily with moderate use. Got the "white screen of death." The call quality was ok, no voice "jitter." Missed calls often. Finally, wiped via BBSAK, and downgraded back to 5.0.0.554, which seems to be a stable build for my device.

[NoahFecks]

Originally Posted by stevielive

My first experience with a "bad" beta: Memory leak 29mb to 6 mb within 3 hours. Battery (though almost a year old in June) drained daily with moderate use. Got the "white screen of death." The call quality was ok, no voice "jitter." Missed calls often. Finally, wiped via BBSAK, and downgraded back to 5.0.0.554, which seems to be a stable build for my device.

Same here. .509 was a severe memory leaker also until I upgraded to .554. Solid, no app switcher or SMS issues others have reported. Then installed this build and memory went to crap again, so went back to .554. Best build I've run since .238.

[Lecter]

0 issues so far!!

Liking this build a lot!!