[Tom]

Originally Posted by athreya

These specs are from Cingular. I have it in writing from them

Alright, nevermind it doesnt suck. BB_tech works for RIM,he knows what hes talking about.

[athreya]

i agree it sucks! before the change is incremental! We have these specs as part of an official qoute from Cingular unjder a Federal GSA contract. Unless they missed out something, this has to be right.Im anyway writing to the CIngular people, asking them to reconfirm both the MBs and the Bluetooth

[bb_tech]

Originally Posted by athreya

i agree it sucks! before the change is incremental! We have these specs as part of an official qoute from Cingular unjder a Federal GSA contract. Unless they missed out something, this has to be right.Im anyway writing to the CIngular people, asking them to reconfirm both the MBs and the Bluetooth

There is no speaker phone...you may be speaking of a different device.

[athreya]

this is the device being supplied to cingular which they have quoted to us as the 7290. It clearly says speaker phone. I can forward the email to you if you give an address.

[bb_tech]

I'm not doubting the email but the 7290 which I know (holding it in my hand right now) has bluetooth, no speakerphone and has 32mb on memory.

[athreya]

is that what is going out to cingular? that may solve the mystery

[bb_tech]

Originally Posted by athreya

is that what is going out to cingular? that may solve the mystery

That I cannot verify but there is only one 7290 floating around.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by bb_tech

I'm not doubting the email but the 7290 which I know (holding it in my hand right now) has bluetooth, no speakerphone and has 32mb on memory.

32mb of memory, sweet

[Skive]

Originally Posted by Guess

32mb of memory, sweet

Fear how long the backups will take when its nearly full. :lol:

Here's hoping that they add usb2 into when they eventually go beyond 32mb

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Skive

Fear how long the backups will take when its nearly full. :lol:

Here's hoping that they add usb2 into when they eventually go beyond 32mb

I wont mind that, as long as the handheld has a ton of memory for multi tasking and loading heavy applications with a breeze.

[athreya]

BB since you work at RIM can you please confirm whether quad bands are going to come out in the larger size i.e. 77xx also? Thanks

[bb_tech]

Originally Posted by athreya

BB since you work at RIM can you please confirm whether quad bands are going to come out in the larger size i.e. 77xx also? Thanks

I cannot confirm that...haven't seen too much around.

[Mark Rejhon]

I hope the 7290 has a faster CPU too - I want to see faster web rendering.

The 7280 brower only chugs along with graphics; can only render HTML at only 10-15 kilobits per second, while it can download OTA software (no rendering) at 50 kilobits per second.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Mark Rejhon

I hope the 7290 has a faster CPU too - I want to see faster web rendering.

The 7280 brower only chugs along with graphics; can only render HTML at only 10-15 kilobits per second, while it can download OTA software (no rendering) at 50 kilobits per second.

Yea, you would expect a device that chugs so much power, would have a fast processor. Instead it chugs as much power as it does minutes to view load programs.

Come on, put a 300mhz processor in there!

[Skive]

Originally Posted by Mark Rejhon

I hope the 7290 has a faster CPU too - I want to see faster web rendering.

The 7280 brower only chugs along with graphics; can only render HTML at only 10-15 kilobits per second, while it can download OTA software (no rendering) at 50 kilobits per second.

You do realise that you can only get anywhere near to 50kb at those times when you are lucky enough to get 4 timeslots, whereas 10-15 would imply you only had aceess to a single timeslot.

[Mark Rejhon]

Skive -- an idea, but -- Nope. The indicator appears to downloads at 30-50 kilobits per second and the indicator stops (no transmissions) while the web browser is still rendering. (When using reqwireless browser or using the OS 4.0 browser. The OS 3.7 browser appears to throttle data downloads to rendering speed)

Also reqwireless tells you how many kilobytes is being downloaded, so I can tell that 100 kilobytes downloaded in about 19 seconds, but the web browser kept rendering for about 40 to 60+ seconds (http://news.google.com is an example of a website that downloads approximately 100 kilobytes via reqwireless, with images turned on -- total up the text download and image download kilobytes, and you've got the total kilobytes. Also count the number of seconds the transmissions indicator is flashing.). You can clearly see that downloads stop well before rendering stops, by the indicator dissappearing. You can even race to a dead spot (faraday cage) and the browser keeps rendering from the data already downloaded. By doing math at 100 kilobytes on 19 seconds, I know I broke the 5 kilobyte per second barrier. (100 divided by 19 is equal to 5.26 kilobytes per second, which would require a GPRS bandwidth of 50+ kilobits per second to accomodate that plus the overhead). Clearly, the web browser is still rendering at that point. Other days, the reqwireless server is a bit slow, and Blackberry browser is a bit faster, but usually reqwireless is much faster (not on text, but on images!).

It's 100% consistent. I alternate between web browsing and OTA, and OTA is clearly 3-4 times faster than web browsing. In the same spot.

It's not timeslot related, for sure, I had already thought of it, but have confirmed it is not that.

[athreya]

Hi
I got the 7290 spec shest/user manual. It has bluetooth no speakerphone.I stand corrected7290 user manual

[Family K9]

I'd take Bt over speaker phone any day of the week.
The ability to wirelessly sync, use a BT headset in the car or out on the move is just fantastic!
Nick

[Skive]

BT is unlikely to be used for wireless synching for some time if at all, its a new feature for rim, so they are almost certainly going to limit it to what they see as its crucial functionality i.e. headsets.

[athreya]

why should one prefer BT headset to something like the new Unleash headset (based on Magnetic Induction)? www.reasonproducts.com/unleash