[corey@12mile]

I know 7 people who own Mac's... 5 of them are gay. 4 of them are Artists (see gay.) and the other 3 are 'Microsoft Sucks' people who think they really can change the world by not running Windows... gay.

Anything else?

cd.

Originally Posted by penguin3107

Mac people are homo's for the most part

Corey, can you explain this in a little more detail?
I'd like to know how you arrived at this riveting conclusion.

[jfuerth]

Originally Posted by Berry One

Nothing wrong with that.

No, I agree. My point wasn't that it's a bad thing that RIM is interested in solely supporting Windows. BlackBerry is their platform, and they're absolutely justified in supporting as many or as few users as they want.

My point was, they told me that they'd really like to support Linux and Mac, but they don't currently have the resources to do it. I think that's untrue.

[penguin3107]

Originally Posted by corey@12mile

Anything else?

cd.

Your amazing, in-depth statistical anaysis is simply fantastic.
Just out of curiosity, which 2 aren't gay? 2 artists, 2 anti-MS people, or 1 of each?

[jfuerth]

Originally Posted by zma

The only way this is going to happen is if one of the usual linux weenies writes a driver. I mean if they can get a freaking ipod to boot linux, they can certainly figure out how to get simple data to and from the bb.

Apparently not only is RIM not all that interested in providing a driver for linux, none of the linux programmer types are interested in spending any time to play around with a blackberry.

Well, I'm almost a Linux weenie... I guess you could call me a BSD biatch . I also have a PowerBook, although I'm not gay and I don't expect my decision to change the world. PowerBook is just a better choice for doing all types of software development (except BlackBerry!)

I am interested in figuring out how to do app loading on BlackBerry without Windows and the Desktop Manager. I had nothing to do with Linux on iPod, Zaurus, Dreamcast, PS2, or what-have-you, but there are some differences between the BlackBerry and those devices that you have to acknowledge before wondering why nobody has stepped up and developed an open source apploder:

1. This is a proprietary USB protocol, as opposed to RS232, Ethernet, USB Mass Storage (an open standard), or just software on a flash card. Working with proprietary USB makes test and monitoring equipment relatively unaffordable.
2. A linux/bsd/mac developer interested in figuring out the BB apploader protocol would have to buy Windows and a software USB driver probe in order to get started; not so with most other devices.
3. The blackberry isn't as attractive as those other devices, because it has very limited internal storage and lacks removable memory so it can't be used to develop MP3 or video apps.
4. Up until the 8700, BlackBerry was a relatively slow device and therefore less attractive to hackers than other handhelds.
5. RIM has a fairly litigious nature, and I'm afraid if anyone did succeed and then released their work, they'd get sued.
6. RIM has been generally unresponsive to individuals interested in software development on BlackBerry in the past, although that does seem to be changing. I've recently had a good PR experience with them (after a string of bad ones over the last 6 years), and the SDK is now available for immediate download without an email or over-the-phone consultation

And once again, I want to be clear: I don't think RIM has *any* obligation to remove any of these barriers to open source development on BlackBerry. I don't even care if they sue the pants off anyone who tries to release an open source apploader for BB (although I don't know if such a case would hold up). They can do whatever they want with their own platform (and market growth-wise, what they're doing seems to be working quite well for them). I'm just trying to explain why this platform has been continuously passed over by the majority of open source hackers since day 1.

[Mark Rejhon]

Originally Posted by corey@12mile

Mac people are homo's for the most part, and us Windows people are the ones who live in the real world and make things work.

Originally Posted by corey@12mile

I know 7 people who own Mac's... 5 of them are gay. 4 of them are Artists (see gay.) and the other 3 are 'Microsoft Sucks' people who think they really can change the world by not running Windows... gay.

Just a warning. The debate of statistics of Mac users who are members of the gay/lesbian population, belongs in the Off Topic Lounge. Profiling a minority is considered offensive by some, even if not to everyone. I should note Canada give strong protection for this community and your comment may be interpreted as homophobic by certain readers -- even if you have gay friends. Any "singling out a minority" is not tolerated on BlackBerryForums. In addition, such topics can tend to be controversial and usually bait off-topic discussion.

Even "linux weenie" almost merits warning to the other person (I am one of the minority although 4 other computers of mine are Windows -- but I played along calling myself a Linux weenie for kicks). Please be cordial with other minorities or not-so-much-minorities, whether it's Linux users, Mac users, bible readers, blondes, gays, or anybody. Anybody you don't approve of, just leave alone. BlackBerryForums isn't really the place for it.

No reply is necessary on this subject.

Back on topic to Linux BlackBerry sync or SyncML.

[headtailgrep]

A blackberry project for Linux has started! Visit the following, and show your support!

http://sourceforge.net/projects/barry

[corey@12mile]

Obviously you are a *nix fan... but how many more threads are you going to post this to?

Originally Posted by headtailgrep

A blackberry project for Linux has started! Visit the following, and show your support!

http://sourceforge.net/projects/barry

[headtailgrep]

that's it. got a problem with it?

[Bryman]

I would be happy to sign the petition.

Perhaps Corey's just venting frustration he developed while battling spyware in Windows.

[JROCK2004]

I personally think that BB will do nothing to help us Linux users. But I am sure there is something soon. Like said above we just need some linux programmers to get involved in a BB and that will be it

[corey@12mile]

Originally Posted by Bryman

I would be happy to sign the petition.

Perhaps Corey's just venting frustration he developed while battling spyware in Windows.

Perhaps I run Symantec Antivirus, Microsoft Antispyware and Google Toolbar, and in well over a year, with a few hundred machines I support, I haven't had a single incident of spyware/malware or whatever the name of the day is.

Perhaps I am like some of the other 100,000 BES admins out there and realize that the only true enterprise solution that works without a huge amount of customization, tweaking and debugging is a Microsoft one. I am not saying that MS is anywhere near perfect, but for an enterprise solution, there is no other choice. Nobody else can give you the complete package.

Linux is a hobbyist operating system. It's been in existance for 15 years now and nobody can get a descent working GUI desktop, that is ready for the mass's right. I use linux all the time, don't get me wrong about that, but why should RIM make desktop software for a few hundred linux users? Why would they give out their trade secret, which would basically wipe out the security of the device? (by letting anyone connect to it with an API).

Use SyncML... OK, so it's not true replication, and it has to be done manually...

Do you think Ford, GM or Chrysler are going to start handing out the specs to the computers running their cars so linux people can reprogram them? Do you think DirectTV and Dishnet will give out API's to connect and reprogram their receivers? Not a chance. Sure people have figured out how to get into car ECU's and break into satelite smartcards and receivers, but keep this in mind... the company's have never given this information out.

But either way... I will stick to my Microsoft software, because it works well together and pays the bills pretty good too.

Good luck with your petition.... you obviously have far more time to waste than I do... maybe stop playing with linux and get a job...

cd.

[teamcrn]

lol i am a prouad mac user.. and only use a pc @ work so thats were my desktop app loader is... my pc @ work freeze's at least 3 times a day.. while my mac just keeps running smoothly

[corey@12mile]

If your PC freezes 3 times a day, you should have your system admin fired... if I have any machines at work that freeze 3 times a year, I get in trouble... Microsoft has things so automated with WUS and now SUS that there is no reason to be up to date.

My virus protection costs me $27 CDN a year per machine, antispyware is free, google toolbar is free... for this, combined with windows update and office update... I have no problems.

Maybe you browse too much porn... (which I am sure is job related). I think any system admin who is responsible for more than 50 systems will agree with me that maintenance is very easy for Windows on a network and that if your machine crash's that often, either you or your sysadmin should be canned.

cd.

Originally Posted by teamcrn

lol i am a prouad mac user.. and only use a pc @ work so thats were my desktop app loader is... my pc @ work freeze's at least 3 times a day.. while my mac just keeps running smoothly

[teamcrn]

nah no porn sir.. but i do frequently visit this site maybe thats why it freezes...lmao

[SMorganPhoto]

Thumbs up to Debian, Two thumbs up for Windows having more structured support!

[stonent]

Any one who doesn't browse with Firefox is just..... well I don't want to get myself banned.

[coreysucks]

After reading your smug responses to peoples comments, and having to listen to you badmouth other operating systems which are far superior to Windoze and after seeing your general sentiment to open source development and the effort people put in to create a world of technology outside of the corporate $y$tem, I was compelled to join this forum just to tell you that you suck, and I hope you are doomed to a life of reboots and service packs and defrags and spyware and adware and cryptic error messages all on windows.

have a nice day.

[penguin3107]

Originally Posted by coreysucks

After reading your smug responses to peoples comments, and having to listen to you badmouth other operating systems which are far superior to Windoze and after seeing your general sentiment to open source development and the effort people put in to create a world of technology outside of the corporate $y$tem, I was compelled to join this forum just to tell you that you suck, and I hope you are doomed to a life of reboots and service packs and defrags and spyware and adware and cryptic error messages all on windows.

have a nice day.

Wow.. this has to be a new record.
You realize you just revived a thread that has been dead for just about 2 years, right?
Also, corey hasn't posted here in about a year and a half, so I doubt he'll see your ever-so-subtle reply.
Excellent first post. Go you! ;)