I concur with KnoTiki. The same information you got in this thread you could have found by reading the other threads. If after reading the other threads you still had unanswered questions, I and many ohters here would be more than happy to answer them if we could. I and a few other put in a lot of time helping others on this board and I don't mind doing it as long as the person makes some effort on their own first. If you had said that after searching you were unable to find the answers to your questions then I wouldn't have said a thing and I would have been far more helpful. I think the many member that have PMed me for help can testify to the help I have provided.
As to the 8700, I think it is an excellent device as you culd easily find by reading my review of it on my web site. (www.barjohn.com
) So far, I have not found any reason to dislike the device. It isn't perfect but it is closer than any other device I have actually had in my hands and that is quite a few devices. I have owned the Treo 600 and while the 650 is a step up, the 8700 is in a different class entirely. However, if your thing is games and multi-media it isn't a device for you. If reliability, security, robustness, solid email, a good fast browser and good phone capabilities along with a real speakerphone are important then the 8700 wins hands down. Only you can know what is important to you.