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Old 02-06-2006, 03:33 PM   #41
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You guys would be better off just buying a U.S. blackberry from Cingular or T-Mobile with an unlimited data plan and paying the roaming charges. I think both have a $19.99 international roaming bolt-on plan now. So it might cost $60-$70 U.S. total with tax.

It's funny that U.S. users roaming on Rogers network are paying less than actual Roger's customers.
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Old 02-06-2006, 03:47 PM   #42
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You guys would be better off just buying a U.S. blackberry from Cingular or T-Mobile with an unlimited data plan and paying the roaming charges. I think both have a $19.99 international roaming bolt-on plan now. So it might cost $60-$70 U.S. total with tax.

It's funny that U.S. users roaming on Rogers network are paying less than actual Roger's customers.
I suppose that could work but then all your friends would be paying long distance charges to call you. lol.
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Old 02-06-2006, 10:30 PM   #43
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Mark and many others in here have argued the point, that the 25MB limit is unrealisitc and please let us purchase extra bandwidth at a more reasonable price, very eloquently for well over a year with little success that I am aware of. If the decision makers at Rogers have not gotten it by now, I'm afraid that the complete ignorance they display may well be a permanent condition. The indications are that we are asking people who don't know what a megabyte is to give us more bandwidth.

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Old 02-07-2006, 09:03 AM   #44
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I am still waiting for my first real bill and this thread has gotten me worried already.

Why doesn't someone right out a petition in a meaningful way and email it around. We could probably get a tonne of signatures in no time.

http://www.petitiononline.com/create_petition.html
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Old 02-07-2006, 11:27 AM   #45
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I suppose that could work but then all your friends would be paying long distance charges to call you. lol.
Not if it was a data-only plan. You could just use the device for email/data and have a separate cell phone.
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Old 02-07-2006, 07:47 PM   #46
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Thats just scary, I am with Bell and have been waiting for the 8700 release, last month I hit just over 60mb and no extra charges... Guess for once, Bell is doing something better than Rogers.
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Old 02-08-2006, 04:13 PM   #47
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Just got an 8700r today and am reading this after

few questions
1) how can I monitor data usage?
2) should the edge/wireless network be left on at all times?
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Old 02-08-2006, 11:58 PM   #48
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Just got an 8700r today and am reading this after

few questions
1) how can I monitor data usage?
2) should the edge/wireless network be left on at all times?
Hi lindmar, welcome to the forum;
I am not aware of a way to monitor data usage. It'd have to be a provider supplied feature, and Rogers doesn't have that. Maybe somebody out there can confirm this. Email does not use a lot of data, however browsing the net does. Mark Rejhon has written extensively on data usage in here. If you have the $40 plan you have 3 months of real unlimited, so go all out. If you have the $25 plan be very very careful for the first month. With the 8700 it is very easy to use up 0.5MB in a short time. The $60 "unlimited" plan gives you more flexibility, but again, it's not hard to exceed 25MB. Call customer service, if necessary a few times, and mention that you are concerned about incurring overages. Many of the customer service people are very cool and, since you are a new customer, one of them may set you up with 3 months of real unlimited. Yeah i leave the radio on my 7290 on all the time. You only rack up data if you are actively browsing the net, or if you have your instant messaging clients running, and of course if you send and receive email, but to a much lesser extent. I hope this helps.

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Old 02-09-2006, 01:43 PM   #49
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Thanks for that.

I am on the bigdaddy plan, 90 bucks unlimited, 350 voice ect,....

They also gave me 3 months of true unlimited data and 6 months of unlimited local calling free


On a side note I'm not sur ethey will be able to do this for long and get away with it.
They cant call it unlimited and its not. Telus calls it 25Megs.... I think.

I really think they are going to go down for this one.
Has anyone started that petition yet?

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Old 02-09-2006, 02:56 PM   #50
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If you are using BlackBerry Enterprise Server, then you WILL have data usage on an idling BlackBerry.
Care to explain??

My understanding was the reverse. If you are using the Blackberry browser through your corporate BES, you DON't see data charges, as the internet traffic does not go through the Rogers system.
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Old 02-09-2006, 07:25 PM   #51
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Telus now has a 250meg BlackBerry plan ($100 per month). But Rogers does not even have the option to allow us to pay a little more to get a 100 or 250 megabyte plan.

I have now created a petition website, it is pending review by other moderators before public posting.
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Old 02-10-2006, 12:36 AM   #52
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The petition is now live!
www.RogersPetition.com
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Old 02-10-2006, 12:50 AM   #53
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Old 02-10-2006, 01:02 AM   #54
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Go ahead. Permission is granted to media, blogs, websites, to republish the URL www.RogersPetition.com.

If anyone needs to discuss the petition with me or BlackBerryForums privately, send a PM to 'Guess', PM to 'Mark Rejhon', or send an email message to text [email address]com (replace [at] and [dot] with punctuation as needed).

Please feel free to put it in your forum signature block too. I put it in mine.

Also, I have posted the petition on HowardForums too as well:
www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=844025
If you are a member there, you can post a comment there to keep the thread active over there, to increase audience coverage for the petition. You might want to mention your BlackBerry data overages there too as well;

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Old 02-11-2006, 06:06 PM   #55
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Gee, I just joined the "unlimited" plan last week. There was *nothing* that said anything about additional charges on data. How can they get away with calling it "unlimited"? Is this not a scam? Can we file a class action law suit?
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Old 02-11-2006, 09:46 PM   #56
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Is Rogers the only BB provider in Canada?
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All signs point that we could file a class action suit or report rogers for deceptove advertising....
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Old 02-12-2006, 03:59 PM   #58
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Is Rogers the only BB provider in Canada?
There are others, but Rogers is the only GSM BB provider in Canada. Rogers has a GSM monopoly.
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Old 02-12-2006, 07:42 PM   #60
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I think your petition is a great idea and will gladly sign it. There is another route however:

http://www.crtc.gc.ca/RapidsCCM/Register.asp?lang=E

Make a complaint to the CRTC. If enough people complain, they may look into it and at least be a PITA for Rogers, which may create more incentive than the petition. I would certainly think there are grounds for intervention given the borderline false advertising and GSM monopoly issues.

While looking into this, I also learned that there is currently no telecom industry ombudsman to deal with issues like this, which is unheard of in any comparable industry (insurance, banking, etc.). Probably why a company like Rogers seemingly has no fear whatsoever wrt issues like this.
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