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Old 09-27-2007, 11:28 PM   #1 (permalink)
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So I'm sitting here beating my head against the wall "why won't this OTA install from my server!?!" - I can download the .jar part via Firefox fine, but the BB keeps reporting a 500 Internal Server error. Now, I'm a seasoned apache admin and something is fishy - I know a 500 when I see it and how to diagnose/fix it, and this ain't it.

So I decided to sneak a look at my access_log and what do I see, but a lot of this:

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216.9.250.107 - - [27/Sep/2007:20:12:51 -0700] "GET /bb/ota/3netcalc.jad?UniqueKey=00119094867000001190948447000 HTTP/1.0" 200 330 "-" "BlackBerry8320/4.2.2 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/100"
216.9.250.106 - - [27/Sep/2007:20:12:52 -0700] "GET /bb/ota/3netcalc.jar HTTP/1.0" 200 18466 "-" "MDS_3.2.4.10"
Now you see, that is *not* my home IP - those addresses in fact belong to the blackberry.net class of IP. What the heck? Why in the world is my WiFi data going all the way up through blackberry.net and back down to my server? (and @^%@# failing on me) I should note I have UMA disabled as well, so that's not a valid reason.

As a sanity check I hit an internal LAN webserver on a private net, and it of course uses a direct connection, so the device is at least that smart. I wanna know why the heck my data is going through the RIM servers for no reason whatsoever in the public Internet.

"Lame" I think is appropriate here, and it would explain a number of odd wifi problems I have now and again.
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PS: anyone else with their own webserver out in public space and has access to the logs, can you test hitting a URL and can confirm what I am seeing?
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Why in the world is my WiFi data going all the way up through blackberry.net and back down to my server? (and @^%@# failing on me) I should note I have UMA disabled as well, so that's not a valid reason.
For OTA downloads normally the Blackberry servers are acting as more than just a proxy. They are actively processing the files. I wouldn't be surprised if OTA links are forced through BIS even if you are already in the WiFi browser. Are you linking to this jad file via the Wi-Fi browser and not the "Internet Browser" which always goes through the RIM servers?
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Great idea, thanks! I forced a generic URL (not to the OTA files) to be on Wifi Browser and sure enough, it's my home IP. I set it back to the default Internet Browser, it proxies through blackberry.net. Kinda a nasty little side effect.

I forced my OTA install to wifi, and sure enough - it downloaded.
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Michael Caputo of Engadget Mobile posted a critical review of the BlackBerry Curve 8320 on T-Mobile, claiming that the Wi-Fi is slow (blaming the processor), even slower than an 8800 over EDGE.

If you're having good luck with Wi-Fi browsing then please post a comment on the Engadget Mobile story to set the record straight.
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If you're having good luck with Wi-Fi browsing then please post a comment on the Engadget Mobile story to set the record straight.
Thanks, I just did and added a link back to the forums. Free advertising!
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In response to this, can I ask when using Wifi, I assume that when mail is pushed to your handheld, it still goes through blackberry.net and the handheld just registers itself with blackberry.net.

What ports on firewalls need to be open for this to happen?
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In response to this, can I ask when using Wifi, I assume that when mail is pushed to your handheld, it still goes through blackberry.net and the handheld just registers itself with blackberry.net.
Correct, the initiation of WiFi connects and registers to the BB infrastructure for your email; this is a separate connection that a pure-data connection like what I'm talking about in this thread.

I do not know of a way (yet) to force the email data connection over the Mobile Network (T-Mo, AT&T, etc.) while WiFi is on, the OS design seems to be that if you have WiFi data on then the device uses that for email data as well.

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What ports on firewalls need to be open for this to happen?
Wrong thread, hit Search - there are threads for firewall stuff.
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Wrong thread, hit Search - there are threads for firewall stuff.

My bad, but it was sort of thread related.

But search found the answer port 443 for data - thanks
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