Airport Extreme Router: Anyone Get One Working? Or not working?
I've seen many posts about the Apple Airport Extreme Router. Most, if not all, are posting about trouble.
If you have an Airport Extreme Router please post your results here in this thread. Either we can figure out what to do to get them working or we can decide once and for all that they are not compatible. |
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-I appreciate you looking into this! I am on day 1 with my 8320 and to test this feature I went and selected WiFi only in my Mobile Network. Cheers! |
I am new to blackberry and all of this stuff so please forgive me if I use the wrong terms here. I found something interesting. I was connecting with my airport and would get cut off after a short bit. I noticed that the cutoffs was coinciding with my imac going into powersave or screensaver mode (not sure which, it occurs when screen is inactive). When I keep hitting the spacebar or moving the mouse, I can keep on talking with no cutoff. Seems bizarre to me but maybe someone else can test it. So as long as I move the mouse and keep the computer active, I can talk.
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A note to folks: this is a "pre-N" router - that means that it's using what Apple believes to be the right implementation of the spec as they read it. 802.11n is *not* ratified as a formalized spec by IEEE yet and as such different router's code may work differently based on how the programmers read the draft of the standard. Most assuredly your 802.11n iMac/whatever client works with it, it should be obvious why; this does not mean, though, that non-Apple gear will always work with it.
Personally if I had one, the first debugging step I would do is disable any and all 'N' functionality on the Airport Extreme device and go from there. == IEEE 802.11n - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 802.11 non-standard equipment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
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I'm actually having problems with the data side. My BlackBerry stays connected to the router, but the connection to the BlackBerry Infrastructure drops frequently/constantly when I'm at home. I've tried eveything I can think of, but I decided to just order a cheap Linksys WRT54GL to see if that helps. At least with the WRT54GL I have more settings. And even more if I use a 3rd party firmware. We'll see though... |
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I refuse to buy a new router just because... We'll see if Apple will eventually fix this issue. |
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We know you love your Airport and you love your Apple, but sometimes they don't make the right gear for the job. You can scream all day "but it should work!" or you can just go buy a $50 router (for your $400 device, no brainer cost ratio here) and use some tech we know works. The fact that your Airport can't be set to G only screams bloody murder to me - how do you know their implementation of the N draft is good? All they care about is if it works with their own hardware, since they write the ethernet stack for it as well with N capability (clients). Not to mention are you really getting MIMO speeds to the internet? I sure don't, I can't get higher than 1.5Mbps DSL due to my distance from the telco hardware. == (1) http://www.enhancedwirelessconsortiu..._spec_V127.pdf |
I'm sure all are aware that they have the option to drop the Airport Extreme router and go with a supported solution. But this thread is not about how they can get rid of their AE - it's about investigating what they might be able to do to get it working.
With respect to why they are struggling so hard to hold on to their N device - it may be faster than our broadband connections, but it is not faster than my NAS servers and it is the only wireless protocol that is fast enough for my media center devices 2 rooms away through a brick fireplace. N is not a luxury for me, and I'm for sure many others... With respect to draft-N, that might be the problem, but there are other protocols, beyond B vs. G vs. N vs. interoperability, that come into play with UMA and blackberry data that could also be the problem. The fact that some are having no trouble with data and only have trouble with voice is evidence that it might not be just the fact that it is "draft-N" here. Either way this thread is about "what can they try to fix the problem", not just "it's draft-N so it will probably never work". That might be the problem, but without some more objective evidence to support that theory, perhaps there are other factors that could be investigated before giving up. With respect to draft-N viability in general, my draft-N router (DIR-655 fw 1.05) works just fine with 8320 browser data, blackberry data, and UMA voice. I had problems originally and I was able to tune them away by setting QoS and wireless QoS settings (in addition to the fact that my router had a WMM setting out of the box). I now have rock-stable voice calls even while downloading files at the limit of my broadband connection at the same time. Also, note that the Airport Extreme is draft-N, not pre-N. There is a distinction in the two terms as pre-N was "anybody's guess as to what they were doing - basically proprietary protocols with some form of MIMO" and draft-N is implementing a standard that is awaiting ratification. The WiFi alliance actually goes so far as to (link) certify draft-N devices and the Airport Extreme router is (link) so certified. It may not yet be a standard and it may be fresh off the drawing board, but it is a little more deterministic than voodoo science. |
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Firstly, I hardly scream: I love my Airport and the wickedly fast connection I get with both my Blackberry and desktop computers. Secondly, it is a big brainer. My wife works at home and relies heavily on good and fast connection. This is far more important than having my 8320 going through some voice issue via UMA. Thirdly, Apple's Airport "n" works flawlessly with our Dell desktop computer with "n" wireless card. This is not about Apple pleasing their ego (I care less about that) but about making things work reliably at home. Finally, here's a report that even T-Mo's router itself is hardly perfect: http://www.blackberryforums.com/wifi...tml#post681510 |
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Thanks for the insight! |
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Anyways, done in this thread - see ya in the next one. |
Are we still talking about Extreme Airports - try landing on the top of Catalina Island.
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I've landed on Catalina Island....The drive to Avalon is much worse than the landing at the airport!
Back on topic: This thread was simply to find a way (if there is one) to make the AE router work with the BB. It appears it doesn't. zGuy, you've flamed a guy who contributes much technical information to this forum. He's give you a possible reason why your AE router doesn't work. I find it hard to believe that you would return a $400 device because a $50 device isn't compatible. If I were to buy a brand new $5000 Plasma TV and plug it into my old DVD player without HDMI, Component outputs, etc. I would find the picture doesn't look like it did in the store. Should I return the $5000 TV because it doesn't work "out of the box." No, it means I should upgrade my DVD player to one that supports the new technology. There must be a router out there that will do what you need it to do for all your devices that connect to it. My very first router was a Netgear. About 6 months after I bought it the company I work for implemented a new VPN system. My Netgear didn't like it. I called the IT department and they told me that Linksys worked better with their system. I went out and bought a Linksys WRT54G and haven't looked back since. It's just the way this tech stuff goes. |
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