Thanks Knotty, I was hoping the various services would work a bit better with the changes the carriers made in December but apparently not. I will try adding as you suggest. I think the marketing departments are all trying to sell new devices. It's just frustrating that they detect blackberry and regardless of the settings wont connect. I have an old Motorola candy bar phone and it works with the "new" changes they made. I just have problems seeing a 1.5 inch square screen. Need new eyes