[mriff]

Originally Posted by LunkHead

Sounds allot like your statements test.... Again, please do not take this as an attack or a slam on you as it is not!

Really Lunk, this is crazy. This is like telling someone 'no offense, but you're an asshole'. If you're going to call somone a communist, you don't have to be nice about it. And test is a democrat. Of the democracy that is the United States. How does that qualify as being a communist? You should read up on Marx before making these kinds of statements.

[LunkHead]

I swim on by the hook, refusing to take the bait...

[test54]

Yeah, you should still be out looking through my statements to find one that matches something resembling communism.

[djm2]

Originally Posted by LunkHead

I swim on by the hook, refusing to take the bait...

Yeah, and he's proud of it. BS baiting as opposed to serious discussion. Par for the course for these intellects.

Next, no thugs and bullies, please. Reasoned discussion of the interventionist position welcomed. Pretenders, please disappear or FOAD.

[Dawg]

Originally Posted by djm2

Yeah, and he's proud of it. BS baiting as opposed to serious discussion. Par for the course for these intellects.

Next, no thugs and bullies, please. Reasoned discussion of the interventionist position welcomed. Pretenders, please disappear or FOAD.

if you cant take the heat get out of the kitchen. I will take the bait rif this is not a democracy its a republic. The democrats are as close to communist as you can get, look at them now they are making the US government take over companys. They want to take over health care, the banks and anything else they can get their hands on. They want you to depend onthe Gov for everything. If that isnt communism then I dont know what is.


They want you guns just like the rest of the communist.

government draws up plans covering the entire economy. They are drawn up with maximum participation of the people, from the shop level on up. Such plans are achieved because they harmonize the interests of all, because there are no conflicts arising from exploitation of workers and no dog-eat-dog competition.

Test this sounds just like you does it not.

[Dawg]

Originally Posted by LunkHead

Good reading straight from the Communist Party USA website ....

CPUSA Online -

Sounds allot like your statements test.... Again, please do not take this as an attack or a slam on you as it is not!

Again I say, when does diplomacy fail and action get taken? How long do we wait before taking action? Do we wait until it's too late and they have the power to reach out and touch us?

Diplomacy has failed in this instance.... It has been tried for years on end with no solution or change to the issue....

Kris

Kris I went and read that page and I concur 90% of what I read sounds just like a couple of people on this board. Especially the section The Foundations of Socialism.

[test54]

Again Dawg seems to miss that there is a difference between Socialism & Communism.
The basis for dawg & Lunk's communism insult is stupid, the idea of democrats being communists makes no sense.

And back on topic, my ideas of having China take the lead in negotiating is because they have the most influence with the North Koreans. There is a fine line between tough talk & negotiating and hopefully neither side overreacts. The opinions expressed by lunk & dawg are in my view overreactions to the situation.

[kathrynhr]

Originally Posted by test54

Again Dawg seems to miss that there is a difference between Socialism & Communism. The basis for dawg & Lunk's communism insult is stupid, the idea of democrats being communists makes no sense.

To most conservatives, there is no practical difference between socialists and communists, as both camps disagree with almost every pillar of modern American conservatism. Their only difference is degree to which they are to the left of what most Americans would consider "center". A conservative calling someone a communist isn't usually meant literally. It can be loosely translated as: "You're so far left of center that you're driving on the shoulder."

[LunkHead]

Can we all have a group hug??

Ok, I feel better.... Now letxxx8217;s see, where were we?

Oh ya, NK...

Let me ask this.... When diplomacy fails, as it has already done for years with NK, then what is the next step?

Economic sanctions? Embargo? Blockade? These actions will only hurt the people of NK who had no choice but to be born into that nation, and who have no standing or say in the NK nutcase leadership..

Humm.....

Option A) Hug and kiss em till they have the nukes (not a good idea)
Option B) Impose economic sanctions / embargo (this only hurts the average Jane and Joe)
Option C) Bomb the facilities (takes out the problem without hurting Joe and Jane, and keeps the freaks from have a weapon that can wipe our nation off the map)

I choose Option C!!!!!

Kris

[djm2]

Originally Posted by kathrynhr

To most conservatives, there is no practical difference between socialists and communists, as both camps disagree with almost every pillar of modern American conservatism. Their only difference is degree to which they are to the left of what most Americans would consider "center". A conservative calling someone a communist isn't usually meant literally. It can be loosely translated as: "You're so far left of center that you're driving on the shoulder."

Your description is quite accurate, but the implications for civil discourse are substantial. By the same logic one could be allowed to call members of the contemporary American conservative movement Fascists or Nazis and pass it off as basically s short-hand description of their belief system. That would be equally abhorrent IMHO, and is why I am offended by the simplistic baiting strategies employed by a couple of "defenders of freedom" who have been posting in this thread.

[LunkHead]

Swims on by the hook..... AGAIN.... That bait is looking pretty tasty though...

Kris

[LunkHead]

[mriff]

Originally Posted by djm2

Your description is quite accurate, but the implications for civil discourse are substantial. By the same logic one could be allowed to call members of the contemporary American conservative movement Fascists or Nazis and pass it off as basically s short-hand description of their belief system. That would be equally abhorrent IMHO, and is why I am offended by the simplistic baiting strategies employed by a couple of "defenders of freedom" who have been posting in this thread.

Thank you. I was thinking this and was contemplating how to say it. Let's see what the 'defenders of freedom' have to say about this potential comparison. Will they be equally offended? Will they even understand the comparison?

[mriff]

Originally Posted by LunkHead

Swims on by the hook..... AGAIN.... That bait is looking pretty tasty though.

Take the bait Lunk. Why not? This is the sensitive discussions area. Say what you want.

[djm2]

Originally Posted by mriff

Take the bait Lunk. Why not? This is the sensitive discussions area. Say what you want.

My suspicion is that he wants to do the baiting, not take the bait.

[Dawg]

Actually test Riff and djm my remarks that test is a communist is right on the money. I read every word on the page that Lunk posted and it describes what Test wants to a tee. So yes I still say he is a communist.


The difference in you all calling me a Nazi or a fascists is that i don't agree with there doctrine Test continually spouts off about how the Government should run things. I am against more Goverment.

[ArgonNJ]

Originally Posted by Dawg

I dont care if they disband or not I just want them out of the US. IM not even gonna argue this with you.

You are a no war give everyone hugs and kisses type of a person so I will not waste my time discussing war with you any more.

[test54]

Originally Posted by Dawg

Actually test Riff and djm my remarks that test is a communist is right on the money. I read every word on the page that Lunk posted and it describes what Test wants to a tee. So yes I still say he is a communist.


The difference in you all calling me a Nazi or a fascists is that i don't agree with there doctrine Test continually spouts off about how the Government should run things. I am against more Goverment.

Dawg you are continually lost as to what Communism means. Knowing that, your comments are meaningless.

Lunk, I still dont see you posting any of my quotes that are communist....

As to NK, my opinions are well documented above, no need to repeat again.

[LunkHead]

Perhaps you should read the link I posted or read up on communist views... They are pretty similar to yours....

Thatxxx8217;s all I will say about that.... Back on topic... If we want to discuss communism, then maybe a new thread should be made???

Kris

[Dawg]

Originally Posted by test54

Dawg you are continually lost as to what Communism means. Knowing that, your comments are meaningless.

Lunk, I still dont see you posting any of my quotes that are communist....

As to NK, my opinions are well documented above, no need to repeat again.

Lost really? You should def read that web page considering it is the US communist partys page and your views fit right in. So I cant be to far off base. So be in denial if you like but reading your views and theirs its pretty clear where you stand to me.