[JRSCCivic98]

Originally Posted by JSanders

John--you don't get it, because you forget that the Prez/CEO of Verizon actually checks this forum each day to see where he stands.

Oh snap, my bad... I though he meant Bush... :lol:

[JRSCCivic98]

Hey, on a sidenote here... If VZW doesn't have a problem with someone buying an external GPS and using Bluetooth to get it to work with this phone, why bother with disabling the onboard GPS? It's not like they sell aftermarket GPS pucks. They loose revenue that way as well. I guess they are just betting that most of their users don't know you could do that and just do the Zombie thing and use whatever VZW sells them as a service. That's the only logical conclusion I can come up with. But if that's the case, why not leave the GPS enabled and just not preload BBMaps. Let the user figure out they can load up a mapping app and get it to work, it's no different then getting an external puck and doing that. Hummm....

Of course, here's another logical explanation for all this GPS BS. The GPS in the phone was not disabled. The code was rewritten in such a way that it interfaces with their "proprietery" software VZW has for LBS. Because of this rewrite, the GPS in the phone now only works with that.... so basically they had two choices. Recode their software to work with the general APIs of the phone (logical step) or recode the OS to meet their apps needs for interfacing. Hell, maybe the app they use (most likely VZNavigator doesn't even use APIs, it talks directly with the GPS chipset. In some OSs if API are present for hardware control apps designed to interface with that hardware directly cannot access it due to API priority. If the OS was designed this way they'd have to strip the APIs away, which explains why no other GPS app can properly talk to the onboard GPS. Hummm....

[Dawg]

OMG enough already

[juwaack68]

Wirelessly posted (BlackBerry8830/4.2.2 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/104)

So if I've read all of this correctly, my hard drive has GPS that will help my Yukon get better gas mileage, BUT, if my Yukon gets struck by lightening on a Tuesday then the odometer is crippled?!?!? What the...

I'm going to sue Bill Gates!

[test54]

why didnt you just return the phone so we would not have to read all your whining?

Verizon does have a return period right?

[JRSCCivic98]

Originally Posted by test54

why didnt you just return the phone so we would not have to read all your whining?

Verizon does have a return period right?

I needed a freaking Blackberry. Does Verizon make a PDA that has GPS enabled by default? I didn't think so. Changing carriers would not have been an option or did you not get that part already (I've repeated it several times I think.)

[RobM]

Originally Posted by penguin3107

And that advertisement is accurate. There is built-in GPS in the 8830.
It's used for 911 services. Nowhere in the advertisement does Verizon indicate that the GPS can be used for any other purpose, including navigation assistance.

Additionally, the ad indicates "Coming soon", which means that the ad ran before the product was introduced to market. It's very common for released products to have different featuresets than originally planned.

You can keep trying, but you're not likely to find any "proof" that Verizon misled or defrauded the public.
Take your class-action crap somewhere else. Nothing to see here.

Although I agree with you regarding the ad, (I am on ATT), it is alittle deceptive.

rob

[Dawg]

Originally Posted by test54

why didnt you just return the phone so we would not have to read all your whining?

Verizon does have a return period right?

I think thats why hes mad test he couldnt return to the store he needed the GPS to find his way back.

[crazydude]

Originally Posted by Dawg

I think thats why hes mad test he couldnt return to the store he needed the GPS to find his way back.

LOL

[test54]

seriously, i guess he is constantly lost without it.


I think he's repeated himself too much...

Cant the mods merge this into the sticky or one of the other threads on this?

[JRSCCivic98]

Originally Posted by test54

seriously, i guess he is constantly lost without it.

That's not the issue. It's a cool capability to have on a phone, especially if it's built in. Why not have it? Did you know the phone can do MMS as well, but that's not available either. Even if GPS was working, I may not even use it that much or at all, but not to be given the option of "self choice" is not cool.

[nimocone]

Either we got a lawsuit or the problem doesn't exist. And I don't see a lawsuit...

[JSanders]

Originally Posted by JRSCCivic98

or did you not get that part already (I've repeated it several times I think.)

Wha the h???

Somebody's been repeating something?

I guess I have been too busy sitting here playing with my built-in, enabled, working gps, to have noticed.

[JRSCCivic98]

Originally Posted by JSanders

Wha the h???

Somebody's been repeating something?

I guess I have been too busy sitting here playing with my built-in, enabled, working gps, to have noticed.

Good one.

[TBOLTRAM]

My view is still that the 8830 is being advertized and sold as a "World Edition" phone. If I buy the VZ Navigator service for $ 10 bucks a month it better work when I am in Europe. Otherwise, turn on the satellite receiver because I got the phone to be used outside of the US on both CDMA and GSM systems.

If the VZ Navigator service does not work outside of the United States and VZ does not turn on the satellite receiver then there is a legitimate reason for legal action. No ifs, no ands, and no buts as this would prove that the 8830 is not a "World Edition" phone and the last time I checked it was still be advertized as such.

I remember the ad and it was the reason I decided to buy a 8830. None of the other Verizon phones mention GPS as it was presented in this ad.

I use Verizon as it is the least worst wireless provider as far as its network coverage is concerned. Hopefully, VZ can prove that they are the least worst in regards to business practices.

[JRSCCivic98]

Originally Posted by TBOLTRAM

My view is still that the 8830 is being advertized and sold as a "World Edition" phone. If I buy the VZ Navigator service for $ 10 bucks a month it better work when I am in Europe. Otherwise, turn on the satellite receiver because I got the phone to be used outside of the US on both CDMA and GSM systems.

If the VZ Navigator service does not work outside of the United States and VZ does not turn on the satellite receiver then there is a legitimate reason for legal action. No ifs, no ands, and no buts as this would prove that the 8830 is not a "World Edition" phone and the last time I checked it was still be advertized as such.

I remember the ad and it was the reason I decided to buy a 8830. None of the other Verizon phones mention GPS as it was presented in this ad.

I use Verizon as it is the least worst wireless provider as far as its network coverage is concerned. Hopefully, VZ can prove that they are the least worst in regards to business practices.

If you want to know a secret. Since VZNavigator is an A-GPS app if you're outside the VZW network it won't work. So if you're in Extended network it's useless because the towers won't pass the A-GPS data at all. Nice, isn't it.

So, VZNavigator (A-GPS) on a World Phone =
BBMaps/Google Maps + Enabled Autonomous GPS =
Both would be = , but what's the chance of that happening?

[John Clark]

What? There's no GPS on the Verizon 8830????

[theBorg]

Whatever. You Verizon Wireless customers are getting shanked.

[test54]

JRR, where did you get the info that Navigator will only use aGPS?
You other post does not show what it uses, just says the phones contain full GPS and also has the ability to use sGPS. Where are you getting the info on their product?

http://www.blackberryforums.com/gene...-8830-gps.html

[juwaack68]

Originally Posted by John Clark

What? There's no GPS on the Verizon 8830????

Nice, John, let the cat right out of the bag why don't you?