[f1ipster]

i installed .592 OS on pc, deleted vendor.xml, ran apploader and apploader wont detect OS 5.0 it just shows my 3rd party apps. what went wrong here?

i remember attempting to install .592 but it failed but so i reverted back to 4.6. i want to give OS 5.0 another try, but this time its not even detected when i run apploader. any way to make apploader detect 5.0? the folder is right there i dont know why apploader is just showing my apps. also in DM it said update not required.

[John Clark]

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Do you have a BlackBerry data plan on your account?

[f1ipster]

Originally Posted by John Clark

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Do you have a BlackBerry data plan on your account?

no i do not, are all of these problems alleviated with a data plan?
if so ill just borrow a friend's sim. the work around doesnt work for me because i have no 4.6 folder to copy the 5.0 folder into.
the thing is the first time i tried it was detected, now this time it is not.
i wonder how could this be, ive done it once before but it failed during the initialization phase.
is a wipe needed?

[John Clark]

Yes. 5.0 requires a data plan on the device in order to upgrade to it.

In order to have a 4.6 folder you need to install a 4.6 OS to the computer. Then you could do the workaround.

However, if you have a friend with a data plan and can use their sim, that would be the easiest.

[f1ipster]

YES! i have successfully loaded .592 without a data plan by doing the following

1. Installed .592 OS to computer
2. Deleted Vendor.xml
3. Opened up DM 5.0.1 and selected Application loader then selected Update Software
it shows OS 5.0 there with a asterisk* basically saying bb data plan users get this upgrade only.
4. I left DM open and went to the Apploader directory and ran apploader.exe it detected my phone and showed my PIN number
5. I opened this program called shrink-a-os and loaded apploader from there also and apploader said PIN UNKNOWN and i selected NEXT (if it goes through you did it right!), it showed 5.0 ready to load with all the check boxes and all that.
6. I then closed DM and the apploader that detected my PIN (NOT the one that said PIN UNKNOWN).
7. Then I disconnected my internet, i read that it prevents vendor.xml from showing up again while its setting up.
8. before starting the upgrade i only selected the language support english check box (one of the first boxes).
9. voila its loaded on to my phone, then afterwards i loaded the apps that came with 5.0.

i read up on the storm forums about this little glitch in the system, basically you connect your phone to DM and youre trying to get apploader to say PIN UNKNOWN that way it is able to detect the 5.0 folder and ready to load the OS.

the first time i loaded 5.0 it failed because i made it load all the apps along with the OS
this time it went through because i just installed the OS itself, then apps later.

i am enjoying threaded SMS and vibrate and ring simultaneously.

P.S. i know my directions dont seem very clean and clear cut but this is exactly what i did to work around apploader not letting me update, no BS. i also did this without wiping with BBSAK.

[ron838]

Originally Posted by John Clark

Yes. 5.0 requires a data plan on the device in order to upgrade to it.

In order to have a 4.6 folder you need to install a 4.6 OS to the computer. Then you could do the workaround.

However, if you have a friend with a data plan and can use their sim, that would be the easiest.

5.0 does not require a data plan to upgrade.
There's one way to bypass it.
Don't use the DM to upgrade and just use the apploader.exe application!! :D

[John Clark]

No, even Loader.exe requires a data plan to load the OS. If you already have 5.0 then you don't need a data plan to upgrade to another version of 5.0. Also, some very early versions of 5.0 did not require the data plan to upgrade.

[JeffreyM]

Is there another link to download the software?

[vmin81]

where is the link for east asia package ???

[bojo]

Thanks for the link and discussion on 5.0 for my 8900. I went ahead and upgraded my OS today and everything is going great! Thanks for a great site!

[lord_bozidar]

I get a message on my application loader wizard that says !" the blackberry desktopsoftware does not have blackberry device software for the device that you have connected to the computer. contact your wireless service provider or system administrator. " i deleted the vendor file... have tried this on two different computers but still the same message !! need help !!!

[somerandomguy]

Originally Posted by lord_bozidar

I get a message on my application loader wizard that says !" the blackberry desktopsoftware does not have blackberry device software for the device that you have connected to the computer. contact your wireless service provider or system administrator. " i deleted the vendor file... have tried this on two different computers but still the same message !! need help !!!

Search.

you will see you need BES/BIS to install os5.

[lord_bozidar]

Originally Posted by somerandomguy

Search.

you will see you need BES/BIS to install os5.

thx !! I tried to update with my radio off :D and suddenly I got the latest software hehe

[wolfgaze]

Just a quick question... I don't have Blackberry Desktop Manager installed on my PC.... Can I still do the OS upgrade on my PC without it per the instructions in the original post?

(Edit: Just saw the above posts and looks like I don't need Desktop Manager at all)

[John Clark]

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The instructions above say nothing about DM. You don't need it. Just follow the instructions.

[wolfgaze]

Thanks.

[inkr]

Originally Posted by vmin81

where is the link for east asia package ???

I got mine here:

://na.blackberry.com/eng/support/downloads/download_sites.jsp

(i took out http as I am not able to post link < 10 posts.

[darvish_boy]

hi
I did all instructons on first post.
I tested it with windows 7 and xp but in both of them .
it didnt show the core update in application list.
what should I do ???

added later ----------> my device is curve 8900. can I use this update ?

[somerandomguy]

Originally Posted by darvish_boy

hi
I did all instructons on first post.
I tested it with windows 7 and xp but in both of them .
it didnt show the core update in application list.
what should I do ???

search the forums.

then get a data plan.

[darvish_boy]

Originally Posted by somerandomguy

search the forums.

then get a data plan.

do with this method :
- turned device radio off (not sure this is necessary )
- start loader.exe and it lists just some add-on plug in ( no device software )
- leave it open AND Start loader.exe Again.
It cant detect pin and say unknown pin.
continue update progress with unknown pin and it list the new software (5.x.x)
then close first loader.exe and push next on second update instance and it updates the device.
now you have 5 OS without any data plan.
(tnx for someone that explain this method before)