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thats fine mriff but thats far from saying that they are safe for everyone.
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Can you, in any endeavor that involves humans, guarantee 100% safety for everyone? I think not -- it is the nature of differences between individuals that some side-effects, etc., are almost guaranteed in miniscule sub-groups of the population. If you set 100% as the standard then nothing would ever be permitted. Six sigma---that's another story.
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thats fine mriff but thats far from saying that they are safe for everyone.
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As a society, we certainly have the option of turning the clock back 100 years. Before vaccines were discovered. I don't think anyone wants to do that. I think you would agree that vaccines are safe for the vast majority of people vaccinated. It's all about risk/benefit. I'll take the risk and have for my three children.
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I am in no way saying that vaccines are a bad thing. They are the natural progression in fighting disease. However, its naive to think that people do not get hurt by them as well.
HRSA - National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program
To say that a vaccine is safe is a relative term because even if that % is miniscule, it is still adversely affecting some lives. I simply think that perhaps its time that the vaccines need disclosure like the drugs companies are subjected to in their ads for prescription drugs.
and no matter the vaccine's affect, today is World Autism Awareness Day.
http://www.autismspeaks.org/sponsore...reness_day.php
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To say that a vaccine is safe is a relative term because even if that % is miniscule, it is still adversely affecting some lives. I simply think that perhaps its time that the vaccines need disclosure like the drugs companies are subjected to in their ads for prescription drugs.
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Test, this is precisely what happens now. When my kids get any vaccination, we are handed a pamphlet notifying us of the risks. Inherent risks are outlined very specifically. It is somewhat scary to read. And yes, you are absolutely correct, there are risks. Just like any other regular medicine. But again, it gets back down to risk/benefit. Things like tetanus and whooping cough can be completely prevented. Illnesses like polio and small pox can even be eradicated. From the entire world. That's pretty incredible, at least to me.
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I'm not arguing that they are not a great way to prevent disease, just that the risks need to be known. To hand a pamphlet at the time of vaccination is a little late in the process to me. There's a fine line between scaring people and educating them, but I feel things are a little too conservative currently in the vaccine world compared to the prescription drug market.
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I'm not arguing that they are not a great way to prevent disease, just that the risks need to be known. To hand a pamphlet at the time of vaccination is a little late in the process to me. There's a fine line between scaring people and educating them, but I feel things are a little too conservative currently in the vaccine world compared to the prescription drug market.
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I'm not sure if you have kids or not test, but to me, the risks for vaccination is made known to those being vaccinated pretty much exactly the same way drug interactions and risks are made known. Both are pamphlets that are provided upon receipt. Our pediatrician provides the pamphlet to us before the shots are given and he goes out of his way to make sure we're ok with it before the shot is given. Not sure if that is how it goes with other doctors though.
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no kids but have been to several flu vaccine clinics and have yet to see or hear of any info being handed out or explained to the people being vaccinated.
I think your making more of my statements than I intended, I have no issue at all with vaccines or their use. I merely think that people need more info even before they are at the doctor's office.
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no kids but have been to several flu vaccine clinics and have yet to see or hear of any info being handed out or explained to the people being vaccinated.
I think your making more of my statements than I intended, I have no issue at all with vaccines or their use. I merely think that people need more info even before they are at the doctor's office.
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Ok test, I'm with ya. And it surprises me that you don't get anything handed to you when you get a flu vaccine. I get the pamphlet every time and it clearly lays out the risks of the shot and exactly what's in it. Maybe it's a Florida thing.
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I'm not sure if you have kids or not test, but to me, the risks for vaccination is made known to those being vaccinated pretty much exactly the same way drug interactions and risks are made known. Both are pamphlets that are provided upon receipt. Our pediatrician provides the pamphlet to us before the shots are given and he goes out of his way to make sure we're ok with it before the shot is given. Not sure if that is how it goes with other doctors though.
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Weve never had one vaccination explained. The doctor comes out says you need this shot and say do you want it. I think thats why I hate kaiser insurance so bad. |
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Weve never had one vaccination explained. The doctor comes out says you need this shot and say do you want it. I think thats why I hate kaiser insurance so bad.
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Man Dawg, that's awful. You should demand some sort of pamphlet before these procedures. They should be able to provide them. We always get the risks explained up front without asking for them. Not that it would change what we do, but it's at least nice to hear. Maybe as I've mentioned, it's a Florida thing. Or maybe it's a malpractice avoidance thing.
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they have kaiser's in georgia now?
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There are entire businesses built around creating the materials for people to have when they are getting vaccines, or any form of medical procedure. Might it be malpractice avoidance? In part yes, but also because it is pretty clear from the data that a patient who "gets with the program" is much more likely to be successfully treated.
Dawg, ask them for the information up-front.
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