[gadgetfanatic]

test and corey are communist.......

[Dawg]

now gadget that was un called for. We dont need out right insults

[Cory Scheuer]

wow..... all i have to say is wow to that comment.........

[test54]

actually socialist is what i think he meant, not sure though.

[gadgetfanatic]

ok......I'll agree to socialist.....and Dawg, I'm afraid they may not have considered that comment an insult...........I'm just sayin'!!!

[betterlate1]

I've seen both sides.
I prefer to have the right to choose who gets my healthcare contribution.
I refuse to fund your substance abuse treatment.
I refuse to fund your welfare pregnancy.
I refuse to fund healthcare for children when it charges me $7.50 per tylenol.
I like the choice of a dual system.

[daphne]

Originally Posted by Cory Scheuer

I dont get it, why are you guys opposed to universal health care? We have that in a canada, and we have one of the best health care systems in the world, same with switzerland. they too have the best in the world...

I'm sorry but if it means paying a bit more taxes for health care then why not?

If Canada has one of the best health care systems in the world, why do so many Canadians come to the US for health care? I've read about long waits to see specialists, outdated equipment, etc. My Canadian friend had to go back and forth to the hospital several times a day for breathing treatments when she was really sick because there were no beds available. She would have gotten well a lot faster if she had been in the hospital.

[daphne]

Originally Posted by Cory Scheuer

zerog, the point of health care is so you dont have to pay insurance for medical... health care would cover it all... so no need to pay for the insurance

BUT, we would be paying for it in increased taxes. The money has to come from somewhere. Not only would I be paying taxes for my own medical care, but for low lifes, drug dealers, women who have more babies so they can collect more welfare. No thanks.

[zerog46]

My bigest problem is generations growing up on welfare or SS, thinking the tax payers owe them something. The working class are always the ones who have to pick up the tab.

[daphne]

Originally Posted by test54

No doubt there are bad stories out there but there are bad stories with the current situation where basically your care is in the hands of a for-profit company that has their investors interests above yours. Their choices ruin peoples lives daily.

But if the government is running the healthcare system, then we have the problem of it becoming political, being run by people who care more about their own positions of power and their own incomes than the people they are supposed to be serving. I would not trust the government to run healthcare. Look at how they've messed up Social Security. Federal agencies like the FDA are understaffed, which is why we have problems like the current recall of peanut products. The FDA doesn't have enough resources to adequately oversee the industries it's supposed to regulate.

[zerog46]

Originally Posted by daphne

But if the government is running the healthcare system, then we have the problem of it becoming political, being run by people who care more about their own positions of power and their own incomes than the people they are supposed to be serving. I would not trust the government to run healthcare. Look at how they've messed up Social Security. Federal agencies like the FDA are understaffed, which is why we have problems like the current recall of peanut products. The FDA doesn't have enough resources to adequately oversee the industries it's supposed to regulate.

[daphne]

Originally Posted by Cory Scheuer

in my opinion health care will create more jobs for everyone... if everyone pays taxes for it, then more money into the system, which means more hospitals will open, in turn means more nurses, more doctors, more personnel that are needed for jobs... in turn helping the economy alot...

Umm.. there is already a shortage of doctors and nurses. The problem is getting enough qualified people into the schools.

[wabbit]

corporate america, a nationwide health care system will fail harder and probably cost some odd 1 quadrillion dollars.

edit: politics are horrible, its like religion, the problem is its no ran by people but by politicians (people who say / speak to appeal to you with then being above you not your equal / peer)

so on that note, where is the beer.

[test54]

Originally Posted by daphne

being run by people who care more about their own positions of power and their own incomes than the people they are supposed to be serving. I would not trust the government to run healthcare. Look at how they've messed up Social Security. Federal agencies like the FDA are understaffed, which is why we have problems like the current recall of peanut products. The FDA doesn't have enough resources to adequately oversee the industries it's supposed to regulate.

Umm, the current insurance companies are running just that way right now - putting their own income and bottom line first rather than their customers. No company or agency runs perfectly but I still think that having for-profit healthcare is not good.

For most people the taxes would be less than what they pay in insurance now. If you employer pays for you then great but that cost is hurting america's ability to compete in the world economy. To remove that would only help business.

And we have plenty of Americans leaving the US for healthcare because they cannot afford the current prices. We have plenty of doctors leaving the US to practice elsewhere because of the insurance companies and the constant threat of being sued. This also leads to students not considering medicine.

[test54]

WHO list of the best health systems'.
1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America
38 Slovenia
39 Cuba

between Costa Rica & Slovenia? awesome.

[test54]

Originally Posted by gadgetfanatic

ok......I'll agree to socialist.....and Dawg, I'm afraid they may not have considered that comment an insult...........I'm just sayin'!!!

I guess you went and looked up the difference huh? honestly do not care what names you wish to call me, i stopped about such things in high school.

are you for 100% open free market capitalism? or is there a little socialist in you too?

[Dawg]

Originally Posted by test54

I guess you went and looked up the difference huh? honestly do not care what names you wish to call me, i stopped about such things in high school.

are you for 100% open free market capitalism? or is there a little socialist in you too?

I am 100% capitalism. I say make as much money off whom ever you can before someone else does.

[Cory Scheuer]

wow, just wow, i'm surprise at how many people here are the greedy type (not a personal attack just and observation)

its amazing to see how many people in North America really dont give a f***en hoots about anyone else in your own country or the world... until other people start to care for others, then the world is still going to go into these slumps of economic troubles, along with alot of other issues

[test54]

Originally Posted by Dawg

I am 100% capitalism. I say make as much money off whom ever you can before someone else does.

that could almost be a quote from the gospel, I think Jesus said that to the tax collector.

[test54]

Originally Posted by Cory Scheuer

wow, just wow, i'm surprise at how many people here are the greedy type (not a personal attack just and observation)

its amazing to see how many people in North America really dont give a f***en hoots about anyone else in your own country or the world... until other people start to care for others, then the world is still going to go into these slumps of economic troubles, along with alot of other issues

It doesn't amaze me anymore. sad but true.