[test54]

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/conten...ation-morality

Some Rep. from OK has a "Proclamation" blaming the poor economy on gay people, divorce, abortion and general lack of Christian faith.

How nice.

oh and she's the same Rep. that compared Gay people to terrorists last year.
Oklahoma should be so proud.

[jsconyers]

The link seems to be down.

I found this one
Rep. Sally Kern's Views on Homosexuality Ignite Controversy Again - NewsOn6.com - Tulsa, OK - News, Weather, Video and Sports - KOTV.com |

to her. I really liked this quote in the story.

"Instead of dealing with issues that she ought to be dealing with, it seems she's advocating her religious views once again which is not the proper purview of an elected official," said Rev. Scott Jones, an openly gay pastor in Oklahoma City.

[djm2]

I'll bet that Kern and Michelle Bachmann hang out all of the time. Bachmann should be a poster child for the Special Olympics; I'd take a box of rocks over her in an intelligence test.

[2 Samuel 22]

I'll quote from an invocation someone once gave that caused a big ruckus. It seems appropriate and bears repeating:

"We have lost our Spiritual equilibrium and inverted our values.

We have ridiculed the absolute truth of Your Word and called it pluralism;

We have worshipped other gods and called it multiculturalism;

We have endorsed perversion and called it an alternative lifestyle;

We have exploited the poor and called it the lottery;

We have neglected the needy and called it self preservation;

We have rewarded laziness and called it welfare;

We have killed our unborn and called it choice;

We have shot abortionists and called it justifiable;

We have neglected to discipline our children and called it building self-esteem;

We have abused power and called it political savvy;

We have coveted our neighbor's possessions and called it ambition;

We have polluted the air waves with profanity and pornography and called it freedom of expression;

We have ridiculed the time-honored values of our forefathers and called it enlightenment."


And from a higher Authority upon which the invocation is based:
"Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!" Isaiah 5:20

[mriff]

Kern is a nutjob. And she is not alone.

Oklahoma Legislature Attacks Evolution and Dawkins : Dispatches from the Culture Wars

Antievolution legislation in Oklahoma | NCSE

[test54]

Link seems to be back up, it was getting killed by Digg this morning.
People may get angry with the ACLU for various things but at the end it mentions they are investigating to make sure no public money is spend on Kern's Proclamation.

again I'm glad Samuel is not in control of anything.

[kathrynhr]

2 Samuel 22, I don't think that flamebait you posted is a good example. "We have..." We who??? Christ himself did not measure Christians and non-Christians with the same yardstick. As for Christians exhibiting bad behavior: belief in Christ is not an antidote to sin, it is an antidote to separation from Christ. It's not some sort of "God shot" that inoculates believers from being violent, apathetic, lustful, greedy, etc.

IME the tangible difference that Christianity makes in a believer's life on Earth is in the perspective, depth and meaning it adds.

I do agree with the spirit of some of the line items you listed.

[adorkable]

Originally Posted by kathrynhr

2 Samuel 22, I don't think that flamebait you posted is a good example. "We have..." We who??? Christ himself did not measure Christians and non-Christians with the same yardstick. As for Christians exhibiting bad behavior: belief in Christ is not an antidote to sin, it is an antidote to separation from Christ. It's not some sort of "God shot" that inoculates believers from being violent, apathetic, lustful, greedy, etc.

IME the tangible difference that Christianity makes in a believer's life on Earth is in the perspective, depth and meaning it adds.

I do agree with the spirit of some of the line items you listed.

QFE.

[2 Samuel 22]

Originally Posted by kathrynhr

2 Samuel 22, I don't think that flamebait you posted is a good example.

Originally Posted by adorkable

QFE.

This thread along with a few others in the OTL/SD seem to be specifically tailored to draw out a certain response from certain individuals. Flamebait? Maybe, but truthful nonetheless. Thankfully, I wear fireproof armor. Which part(s) would you disagree with?

Originally Posted by kathrynhr

"We have..." We who???

The "we" refers to the target audience of the invocation which, at the time, was the Kansas House of Representatives but it is also appropriate and applicable today given the state of morality in our society, and our nation. The full text of the prayer can be found here: snopes.com

Originally Posted by kathrynhr

Christ himself did not measure Christians and non-Christians with the same yardstick.

God's love covers a multitude of sin and His judgement will not be the same for someone who hears yet is unrepentant vs. someone who doesn't know any better.

Originally Posted by kathrynhr

As for Christians exhibiting bad behavior: belief in Christ is not an antidote to sin, it is an antidote to separation from Christ. It's not some sort of "God shot" that inoculates believers from being violent, apathetic, lustful, greedy, etc.

Yes, I agree. Christians must still walk the walk. We cannot 'acknowledge Him with our lips and then walk out the door and deny Him by our lifestyle.' Sadly, many do just that and misrepresent Christ.

Originally Posted by kathrynhr

IME the tangible difference that Christianity makes in a believer's life on Earth is in the perspective, depth and meaning it adds.

It will also be quite tangible after death.

Originally Posted by kathrynhr

I do agree with the spirit of some of the line items you listed.

I am thankful for that, I appreciate your thoughtful replies.

[test54]

The post is about a congresswoman saying that the reason for our troubles is because we are not Christian enough in our actions. To me we are Christian in our actions because to me a good person, Christian or not, act the same way. There are adulterers with and without religion, same for liars, cheat and thiefs. There is no such thing as a person without sin, so for this lady to start pointing fingers is laughable.

[TBOLTRAM]

There are two forms in the New Testament. In Matthew we are told to follow the law and in Paul letters we are told not to. So do we follow the religion of Jesus which is covered in Matthew or the religion about Jesus which is covered by Paul. I are confused.

Likewise is Revolation a forecast of the future or a history of the movement till about 114 AD? It does discuss Simon Magnus who was a real person documented elsewhere so it might just be history written in a convoluted manner.

I suggest strongly you read the words and figure out yourself what is being said and not what someone who a has financial and power interest is telling you to believe. Remember Jesus threw the money changers out of the temple which can be interpeted as stopping the cash for salvation scam of Herod. Imagine what Jesus would do to most of the TV ministers.

[kathrynhr]

Originally Posted by TBOLTRAM

There are two forms in the New Testament. In Matthew we are told to follow the law and in Paul letters we are told not to. So do we follow the religion of Jesus which is covered in Matthew or the religion about Jesus which is covered by Paul. I are confused.

I have always understood these texts to mean that any law that contradicts Christ's teachings is unlawful for Christians to follow. Further, I take from both chapters that when opposition to the law is necessary, we are to go about it in a peaceful and orderly fashion.

As an adjunct to this, we are instructed repeatedly in many chapters of the New Testament that a Christian is to conduct himself so as to be above reproach in the eyes of his or her neighbors. Only following the teachings and the law may not be enough to accomplish this. And every society is a little different, so to the degree that one is violating neither article nor principle, the "when in Rome" thing kicks in as well.

Originally Posted by TBOLTRAM

Likewise is Revolation a forecast of the future or a history of the movement till about 114 AD?

No clue. Revelation has never revealed much to me. I wish I understood it better, but I don't really suppose it matters because Christ told us how to live, and he said we must neither worry about things nor preoccupy ourselves with the end times.

Originally Posted by TBOLTRAM

Imagine what Jesus would do to most of the TV ministers.

I imagine it'll be nothing next to what God will do.