[ApacheIndian]

JSanders -- I have been and still am grateful for all your help -- none of what I've said on this thread has anything to do with that.

I just don't understand why it seems impossible for any of y'all to simply admit...

YES BB has serious memory/freezing up/locking up/constant-need-for-reboot issues

YES its unbelievable that years have gone by but friggin Audible still doesn't work

YES BB app store stinks and is missing a lot of good apps that iPhone has and Droid will likely have soon

I mean -- COME ON -- those are all blatantly obvious and indesputable points -- and yet y'all are in denial en masse about them -- I just find it incredible.

[ApacheIndian]

Originally Posted by JSanders

Is that a mullet in your profile picture?

Hey hey hey -- please, I'm sensitive about the mullet ;)

[jsconyers]

It appears that your issue is mainly with applications. Have you tried voicing your opinions to the third party app developers? You know RIM doesn't create these apps, correct?

[djm2]

Originally Posted by ApacheIndian

YES BB has serious memory/freezing up/locking up/constant-need-for-reboot issues

On this issue, my response is that I don't have these problems, which is really the crux of most of your argument.

For most of the others, I frankly don't care about them (Audible), so I am not shocked.

[ApacheIndian]

Originally Posted by JSanders

Here's a sampling of the questions asked by the self-styled "technophile and quite BB-savvy" ApacheIndian:

Thank you JSanders. This illustrates my point exactly. I did figure out the answers to these ostensibly simple questions -- by y'all's help and by spending a not insignificant amount of time on these forums. Now let me ask you this:

Do you think its reasonable that I had to "research" answers to these issues?

Do you think average users would go to the trouble?

Do you think that maybe just maybe the fact that I had/have to go to such efforts is a testament to device/software deficiencies?

This point warrants mentioning again: The vast majority of mods/vets/frequent posters on these boards are IN THE TECH industry -- i.e. y'all sure as heck should know the insides and out of BB and other handhelds. But is it reasonable to expect other "non-tech" people to figure all this out??? I think the answer is obvious. And I stand by my original position -- RIM has not addressed this salient point and is going to suffer b/c of it.

[djm2]

Originally Posted by ApacheIndian

Thank you JSanders. This illustrates my point exactly. I did figure out the answers to these ostensibly simple questions -- by y'all's help and by spending a not insignificant amount of time on these forums. Now let me ask you this:

Do you think its reasonable that I had to "research" answers to these issues?

Do you think average users would go to the trouble?

Do you think that maybe just maybe the fact that I had/have to go to such efforts is a testament to device/software deficiencies?

This point warrants mentioning again: The vast majority of mods/vets/frequent posters on these boards are IN THE TECH industry -- i.e. y'all sure as heck should know the insides and out of BB and other handhelds. But is it reasonable to expect other "non-tech" people to figure all this out??? I think the answer is obvious. And I stand by my original position -- RIM has not addressed this salient point and is going to suffer b/c of it.

FWIW I am not in the tech industry.

[jbairdjr]

I must be weird, but the audible app works fine for me.
Guess it doesn't matter though, because evidently the device I have depended on for years will be replaced soon because it isn't really dependable.
Bummer man.

[wabbit]

Originally Posted by ApacheIndian

Thank you JSanders. This illustrates my point exactly. I did figure out the answers to these ostensibly simple questions -- by y'all's help and by spending a not insignificant amount of time on these forums. Now let me ask you this:

your an idiot not tech savvy. period. in anything you want to do you have to look into whats needed. what are you getting at?

Do you think its reasonable that I had to "research" answers to these issues?

yes, i think its very reasonable you have to look for answers.

Do you think average users would go to the trouble?

yup

Do you think that maybe just maybe the fact that I had/have to go to such efforts is a testament to device/software deficiencies?

further proof you're a moron.

This point warrants mentioning again: The vast majority of mods/vets/frequent posters on these boards are IN THE TECH industry -- i.e. y'all sure as heck should know the insides and out of BB and other handhelds. But is it reasonable to expect other "non-tech" people to figure all this out??? I think the answer is obvious. And I stand by my original position -- RIM has not addressed this salient point and is going to suffer b/c of it.

and other companies do? you're a moron. apple even has this same problems.

sorry they dont have a smartphone for idiots and you have rtfm its a shame. or spending 10-15 min looking for a solution to a problem which occurred. boohoo.

[wabbit]

i forgot to add this is why sites like this and for other phones exists, for users to help with problems who might have experienced the same problem.

this is a great site for bb help and always was and will be.

experienced users will try to fix it them self inexperienced will ask a question this is pretty much why sites like this exist. and some people that know more or play more with them can feed back on a device and try to help resolve an issue, to save time from calling some help line with a dude with a book.

and this site is also proof that people will "search" for an answer to a problem.

[ApacheIndian]

Errr, sorry wabbit -- but not everybody is a tech dweeb like you with nothing better to do with their lives. Now go play dungeons and dragons or watch star trek reruns or whatever it is you were doing

[porr]

I'm dropping my bb pearl too I'm tired of the phone Freezing and Sluggishness I deleted a lot of applications and still the same.

[daphne]

Originally Posted by ApacheIndian

That's your preference and that's fine.

But that's not the point. The point is that that should be the user's choice.

I'm thinking it *should* be *your* choice NOT to own a BlackBerry if you think it's so bad. End of problem, end of story. Go get what ever phone suits your fancy at the moment and quit complaining ffs.

[CoDudette]

Originally Posted by ApacheIndian

Errr, sorry wabbit -- but not everybody is a tech dweeb like you with nothing better to do with their lives. Now go play dungeons and dragons or watch star trek reruns or whatever it is you were doing

And it's those 'tech dweebs' that have helped some of us not so savvy users with issues that to us might be seemingly big, but are actually very trivial.

secondly, i thought this was a rant.. but in some of your endless bb-'bashing' and complaints on freezing/sluggishness, you brought in the comparison to the iPhone. there's a separate forum for that.

thanks to the so called optimising your bb 'hack' i've managed to make 4 bolds (one for each family member) work smoothly for over a year and have yet to see any serious fault with my bold.

somehow, you seem to WANT to rant and rave about the blackberry over and over again. are you simply trying to MAKE yourself believe that it's 'days are over'? because as far as i see it, that's hardly the case.

I may not have the tech knowledge of all the 'dweebs' as you put it, but i'm quite loyal to my bb, and can still understand that what you've written, is ALMOST absolute rubbish.

[wabbit]

Originally Posted by ApacheIndian

Errr, sorry wabbit -- but not everybody is a tech dweeb like you with nothing better to do with their lives. Now go play dungeons and dragons or watch star trek reruns or whatever it is you were doing

what are you 12? or suffering from a mental disorder?

lets clarify a few things.

you have not stated a problem but a rant. with that said you been ranting on how you hate this, this is wrong, that's not right, it should not be this. it should be a kindle, a toaster, a shaver, should walk my dog so i dont have to get out of bed. a blackberry should also be a remote control for my tv, brew coffee early in the morning. it should have atleast 1TB memory. it should premtivly know what you want to use it and touching it should just open that app/program. it should run cysis at 240 fps. and finally it should sync with every single email app out on the market, any os, regardless of distro/version or programs, and you should only charge the batter once a week it should last that long between charges.

did i miss something the blackberry should do?

its a mobile phone which allows you to run apps like im/skype/pin to other blackberry owners/phone/email and did i miss any other form of communications? (i forgot sms and mms it also does this) only thing the blackberry lacks is telepathy and sign language those two it can not do.

this is why you got a smart phone right? to have a way of staying in touch. no need to carry a laptop or find public access to get emails, or check them, when you get one, rim does the job and pushes it to you to read. (one of the best things ever made for the mobile market in terms of battery life)

lets see, i can play movies, music, watch tv, listen to podcasts, stream porn, do my banking, gps mapping, google voice, and even read word documents all on a blackberry. it can even multitask! oh yeh i can browse the web! oh noes it dont full web pages with crapware boo hoo.

but the plus side to this is usage is light on the blackberry compared to a webkit phone, compare same usage of a blackberry on a network and an iphone/android device or windows mobile. i can load or browse 10000x more before i hit the same usage.

unfortunately this forum. is not owned and operated by RIM. but a person who is willing to put up his time/effort to allows others a common place to get help and communicate among blackberry users for 3rd party support. with great mods/users who like to help people out. This is not a place that crying a device does not having 1TB of storage will change that fact.

your view of the blackberry does not suit you, its not the right device for you. get this now? need it spelt out better? you're ranting on a blackberry forum how a blackberry sucks with no proof, nothing besides your own view what it should be. (WAKE UP! if you think you can do it better make your own phone) else pick something that will suit you android/apple/windows mobile/webOS/symbia/Meamo 5/ubuntu mobile (coming soon), and or write your os for a phone and make it do what you want from a phone.

you're clueless on mobile technology. you act like an idiot who buys a 200 dollar netbook and cries on amihotornot(dot)com why it cant run crysis. (but its a computer)

[jsconyers]

Originally Posted by ApacheIndian

Errr, sorry wabbit -- but not everybody is a tech dweeb like you with nothing better to do with their lives. Now go play dungeons and dragons or watch star trek reruns or whatever it is you were doing

I take this as a shot at everyone that VOLUNTEERS their time to help others. No one on this forum is paid to help others, not even the mods. They volunteer their time to help others, others like you! JSanders pointed out above how he and others have volunteered their time to help YOU! Rather than being thankful and grateful, maybe even appreciative of their help, the time they volunteered, you call them dweebs with nothing better to do. Very nice.

Would you go to a homeless shelter and tell the volunteers there that they're dweebs with nothing better to do?

[ApacheIndian]

Originally Posted by jsconyers

Rather than being thankful and grateful, maybe even appreciative of their help,

Oh puh-lease, go back and read my posts on this thread and others -- I have thanked others for their help time and time again and meant it. My views on BB's deficiencies as of late HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT. Simpletons like you can't separate the two issues.

I think there's a lot of groupthink going on here -- it is blatantly obvious that BB is not keeping up with the market and yet rather than acknowledge that y'all are making excuses and lambasting me and saying I'm not "grateful" (ha this last one is really stupid). Unless RIM has something up its sleeve that I'm not aware of the Invisible Hand is going to punish them in ensuing years.

Oh another thing that BLOWS on BB: Web browsing. Like pulling teeth.

(But lemme guess -- that's not important right? ha)

[JSanders]

I don't appreciate your claiming to be grateful on one hand and on the hand being called one of the dweebs. You can't have it both ways.

[jsconyers]

Originally Posted by ApacheIndian

Oh puh-lease, go back and read my posts on this thread and others [...] Unless RIM has something up its sleeve that I'm not aware of the Invisible Hand is going to punish them in ensuing years.

Oh another thing that BLOWS on BB: Web browsing. Like pulling teeth.

(But lemme guess -- that's not important right? ha)

Maybe you should do the same thing here....

Originally Posted by morfy50

RIM is in pretty good shape heading into 2010. So far we're hearing (and I'm sure I'm missing a few):

- OpenGL support
- Torch webkit browser with flash support
- Better support for syncing mail/calendar with BIS 3.0/3.1
- Location based services
- Some super apps (LinkedIn, Ebay, Loopt)
- Some very slick new devices (I'm praying for the touch screen with physical keyboard)

IMO, RIM is moving in the right direction!

Originally Posted by ApacheIndian

-- I have thanked others for their help time and time again and meant it. My views on BB's deficiencies as of late HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT. Simpletons like you can't separate the two issues.

I understand you thanked them in those threads, but your actions (words) in this thread which belittle them makes one wonder how sincere you were when thanking them. Calling them dweebs with no time on their hands for helping others (including you). It's funny how you completely overlook the fact of how ignorant you are for calling the ones that helped you in the past names now that you're not seeking their help.

I guess you're right. I am a simpleton. BlackBerry sucks, they have no future, they might as well call it quits. They can't compete. Obviously since the device can't possibly make YOU happy, they have no future. My question to you is this -- why have you been with a device that hasn't made you happy for FOUR - err- umm right, I forgot, you can't count -- I mean 2.5 years?

[djm2]

Originally Posted by ApacheIndian

Unless RIM has something up its sleeve that I'm not aware of the Invisible Hand is going to punish them in ensuing years.

I suspect that what RIM has up its sleeve is a marketing focus that is trying to differentiate itself from the generic smart phone market so that when the fickle consumer moves on to the next "great thing" they will still have a solid core business based on business users who are less $ sensitive. It's called product differentiation.

[ApacheIndian]

Originally Posted by djm2

who are less $ sensitive.

Who ever said I was cost-sensitive??? I never said that. I am definitely NOT cost-sensitive. I am however extremely TIME-sensitive. I currently pay 280/month for unlimited VZW BB service and mobile broadband for my laptop. And I am totally fine with that. Things I am NOT fine with:

Having to reboot my Tour once/day and twiddle my thumbs for 10 minutes

Tour showing rotating hourglass for many minutes

Wasting 3 minutes every time I choose "Mark Prior Opened"

Having to waste 4-6 hours every couple months maximizing memory and deleting bloatware

Losing down time b/c popular, useful apps that work on other handhelds don't work or work very poorly on BB

Painfully slow web-browsing... more thumb-twiddling


And please get off your "business user" high-horse. I am unequivocally a business user. The point that y'all are missing is that "business" and "ease of use" don't have to be mutually exclusive. Other device/OS manufacturers have realized that and are innovating in response to it. RIM has not and is not.